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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q2 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Mar 22, 2010.

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  1. kevinturcotte

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    I imagine it will be the same UI as the original DirecTivos, with a bit of modification for MRV and such. If it ever shows up at all.
     
  2. Mike Bertelson

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    I think that’s where we’re leading. Running right to an Epic Fail.

    My theory is that since it’s going to be on a current DirecTV platform it’s only going to be a HR2x with a TiVo interface. That is to say, it will look like TiVo but really be just another HR2x with maybe a minor difference or two.

    This makes sense to me because I can’t see a scenario where DirecTV will allow a DirecTiVo to out shine the HR2x (especially the HR24). I can’t see the DirecTiVo having much more functionality than a current HR2x. IMHO, it’s just not going to happen.

    In the beginning I was psyched about getting a DirecTiVo but I no longer think it’s going to a viable DVR. If it winds up on an HR22 or HR23, which I think it will, it will still not be as good as the HR24.

    It’s only my personal theory. Since I have nothing to back it up but my personal observation, take from it what you will.

    Now if the delays are to facilitate use on the HR24s then, for some, we might have something. Otherwise it almost seems as if there’s no good reason to even have a DirecTiVo. Hmmm.....maybe it will just fade into vapor. I doubt it but it’s possible. :grin:

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  3. kevinturcotte

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    Even if it is released, by the time it is, it may just fade away from lack of interest.
     
  4. Lee L

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    Well, if the DirecTiVo is a premium priced product, I could see them allowing it to be a little better than the HR2xs just because htere would be that price differnential.

    I agree though, while I once was really interested in a new DirecTiVo, I think this is destined to be a letdown, especially consideriong all the hype for the Premiere. If they really beleive it, they have a warped expectation of what makes people go "wow!"

    TiVo really missed the best chance to pick up lots of DirecTV customers a couple of years ago. Even 1 year ago it would have been much easier and each software revison DirecTV comes closer and closer to removing any reason to switch for all but the most die hard TiVo fans. Especially if the TiVo really does run on all the HR series boxes (personally, I am still not convinced of that) as it will probably be pig slow.
     
  5. tonyd79

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    It makes sense. Depends on whether Tivo wipes out the install of the DirecTV DVR or coexists or layers on top.

    The graphics rendering is probably done at a base library function and could be used by the Tivo programmers, so you would get the DVR style menu look with Tivo values. But that brings into question how much of the logical guts would be Tivo's and how much DirecTV's.

    And if they do that will there be compatibility issues.

    All of this is probably what made the Comcast Tivo such a clusterf***.

    We will just have to wait and see (if we ever do get to see).
     
  6. kevinturcotte

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    That's another question. Is it also going to wipe the hard drives of anything already recorded on them?
     
  7. Mike Bertelson

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    I think that's a more likely scenario then it becoming vaproware.

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  8. Alan Gordon

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    I disagree...

    I have to wonder about the differences in our definition of "major fail"?

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  9. tonyd79

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    You don't think Comcast Tivo was a major fail?
     
  10. Alan Gordon

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    I'm assuming the "minor" differences you are referring to are:

    Unlimited Series Links/Season Passes.
    Unlimited Autorecord/Wishlists
    Unlimited Wishlists
    Dual Live Buffers
    Recently Deleted Folders
    Ability to omit channels (PPV, etc.) from search
    TiVo KidZone

    I guess it all depends on how one uses an HR2x/TiVo. Sometimes I feel like my HR10-250 has more functionality than a HR2x. Over time, that feeling has diminished, and I believe it will continue to diminish, but depending on when the DirecTiVo comes out (if it ever does), I'm not sure that feeling will have gone away yet.

    Between TonyD's comments regarding his TiVoHD, and the First Look'er folks on the HR24 First Look thread, my interest is definitely diminished with the possibility that the new DirecTiVo could be considerably slower than my TiVo Series 3 or HR10-250... especially with the speed talked about in the First Look thread, but unless the HR24 starts to differentiate itself from earlier units, I'm not sure whether I'd consider either better, but rather two units, each with their own respective advantages.

    I can think of a few... ;) :D

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  11. CuriousMark

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    Rogers has already said it will be TiVo software from top to bottom, not a layering like was done with Comcast. They know they cannot afford to repeat that mistake.
     
  12. CuriousMark

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    I'll take this.
    It works and is out there in one small market. It was very late and had a lot of teething pains. It needs a great deal of infrastructure to be just right to work and that has kept the expansion to other markets very very slow.

    From TiVo's perspective I would call it a fail. From Comcast's perspective it is probably a roaring success.
     
  13. Alan Gordon

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    Depends on how you mean it.

    The ComcasTiVo is not vaporware. There are those who have it.

    When it (finally) becomes available nationwide, I would imagine it will become a "niche" product. Neither a "rousing success" or a "major fail".

    Because of this "niche" product, TiVo gets revenue and Comcast doesn't get sued.

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  14. Jeremy W

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    There will be Tivos, and there will be HR2xs. It will not be possible to convert an HR2x into a Tivo, or vice versa. So this is not an issue.
     
  15. Syzygy

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    I think it has already been stated, and widely accepted, that the new TiVo will run only on a TiVo-branded box (what kind, no one seems to know) that won't be allowed to download HR2x firmware.

    As for DirecTV coming closer and closer to satisfying outstanding grievances with each software revison — may I respectfully ask, Lee, what you're smoking? ;)

    I'd like to know if somewhere there's a list of bugs that have been fixed over the last year. I'm not kidding, I really would, because DirecTV doesn't seem to have made such a list available.

    I think that, in replacing Search with Smart Search, DirecTV has (mostly) done away with the bug that spontaneously refreshes search-result lists. (The bug still crops up in Upcoming Episode lists.) So that's one bug that has been almost wiped out. Meanwhile, other bugs have been added.

    Sorry to go a little off track, but to me fixing the existing bugs is the (only) way to decrease interest in a new TiVo.
     
  16. Stuart Sweet

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    And you know, Syzygy, your opinion is completely valid. Other people have other opinions that differ from yours and they are valid too.

    As far as a list of fixed bugs, there isn't one outside of the storied halls of El Segundo, California.

    We do both agree that you would be happy working within the TiVo UI, and that its feature set more closely approximates your needs. For myself, I'm quite satisfied with what I get from my HR2x receivers at this point.
     
  17. Mike Bertelson

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    If that’s what you’re assuming then ok. But, I see no reason to think anything more than what’s currently in the HR2x will be in the new DirecTiVo.

    I’m assuming it will need to be compatible with DirecTV’s On Demand, TV Apps, MRV, etc. Will incorporating those have an impact on any of your list? ;)

    I seem to remember that the 50 SL limit had something to do with how the system current does some of what it does (look back at the old DLB and the “something better” threads). Could that limiting factor also impact what TiVo is doing? I don't have a clue, but neither am I assuming what features it will and will not have...I'm just sayin' :grin:

    While the HR24 is much faster than the previous HR2x’s, I don’t see it differentiating itself in any other way (DECA not with standing). One thing DirecTV has done is maintain a consistent look and functionality across all the receivers. That’s not going to change. Ultimately, any new firmware based features will be added to the whole HR2x line and not one model, so don’t look for the HR24 to pull away from the other HR2x’s. :)

    Those things you’ve mentioned are obviously important to you as they are to other posters. IMHO, and speaking only for myself, not so much (ok the recently deleted folder would be very cool:D). However, how many general subs out there will agree that these features are that important...especially those that have never actually used a TiVo before and will be facing an additional cost to have access to those features?

    I find myself wondering if there are enough people out there who are willing to pay more each month just to have some extra features in a DirecTiVo. I’m beginning to think that in the end the extra cost will eventually kill it. It will be an Albatross around the neck of the DirecTiVo, and unless there are some really cool, not found in the DVR+, mass appeal, features that will offset that fact that it costs more each month (with the mass appeal being a really important one)...well, then I’m beginning to think it’s doomed from the get go.

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  18. futureformercsr

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    Does it seem at all likely that the home media center will be driven from a Tivo platform due to proprietary hardware, software, patents, etc. Just seems like they were both announced a while ago and neither have appeared yet.
     
  19. gregjones

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    Not to nitpick, but this statement bothers me. Tivo seems perfectly capable of limiting itself without outside interference from DirecTV. The only thing that I believe DirecTV would disallow would concern the distribution of content in violation of DirecTV's agreements with other parties.
     
  20. Alan Gordon

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    Since the press release stated that the new TiVo will have TiVo KidZone and Swivel Search, I expect it to have those... although it's possible TiVo may have swapped Swivel Search for TiVo Search now that they appear to have given up on Swivel Search. Other than that, I expect the same features previously available on the HR10-250. I may speculate beyond that, but that's all.

    I would imagine it will have to be compatible with those as well.

    I don't really understand your question, but I don't use DoD, and though I use TV Apps, I'd gladly give it up for some of the features I previously mentioned. MRV however is a feature I like. Given the fees associated with it, I can't say I'll always subscribe to it, but if the $3 fee rings true, I'll hang on to it for a while. If it goes up, I'll probably cancel.

    I always assumed (yeah, I know what that does) that it had more to do with the DirecTV software than anything else. It's been said that the TiVo Series 3 internals are (basically) the same as the HR20, and the TiVoHD as the HR21/22/23, and it doesn't have the limit, not to mention that the old DirecTiVo's didn't have this limitation.

    If true, then I stand by my previous comments.

    A very small percentage, IMHO.

    My belief is not the extra cost, but rather the amount of time it has taken for TiVo to bring it to market.

    The longer people who prefer TiVo have the HR2x, or have to wait until the TiVo comes out, the more people who will find the currently available (and cheaper) HR2x to be "good enough".

    This belief may also apply to me as well, as evidenced by a recent post in this thread:

    ~Alan
     
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