DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q2 2011 Thread)

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  1. Doug Brott

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    Tivo's solution is better if you think 30 minutes some randomly available program on th "other" buffer is important. In reality, the two are slightly different, but on balance Doubleplay is more feature rich.

    If you never watch Live TV, then dual live buffers are meaningless.
     
  2. fasTLane

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    LOL :lol: Dumb is relative.
     
  3. JBernardK

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  4. Jeremy W

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    DoublePlay will leave you parked on one tuner until you switch to the other one. Tivo won't always do this.
     
  5. tonyd79

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    I always mungle this up but I will try.

    You are on a Tivo. Tuner A is on channel 501 and Tuner B is on channel 208. Both are running their own buffer. While viewing Tuner A (501), you punch in Channel 206. Tuner B continues with 208. Tuner A gets a new buffer, as expected. Now you push channel up. Tuner A gets a new buffer on 207, Tuner B continues with 208. All is still well. You push channel up again. Tuner A does NOT change channel. It continues with 207 with its buffer but you (without notice) have changed visible tuners so you are watching Tuner B. So Tuner A still has 207 and Tuner B still has 208 but you have switched buffers. You push channel up again and now TUNER B is on 209 and gets a new buffer but Tuner A remains on 207 with its old buffer. Unsuspectingly, you have dumped the buffer from channel 208. The buffers interact when they are both trying to access the same channel.

    On DirecTV, the same scenario would allow you to just stay on Tuner A and when you pass through chanel 208, Tuner B remains on 208 and keeps its buffer. In effect, on DirecTV, both buffers can be on the same channel without interfering with each other.

    I got caught on this many times with Tivo. Dumping buffers I didn't intend to even after I understood how it worked.

    I hope this made sense. It is not easy to explain.
     
  6. JBernardK

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    If you punch in a channel number that is already on the other tuner, the TiVo will switch to that tuner. Now if you punch in another channel you will lose the buffer. That seems logical but I can see how it might confuse one if you are just surfing up and down.

    So on the D* DVR can you have both tuners on the same channel? I guess it keeps the larger buffer if you switch away.
     
  7. Shades228

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    Fact: People with DIRECTV holding out for a TiVo are going to be disappointed.

    Fact: DIRECTV doesn't need, and doesn't really care about, TiVo ever coming out with a box for their service.
     
  8. Tom Robertson

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    Nah, thems is just opinions. :)

    Now had you said, "Fact: Some people with DIRECTV holding out for a TiVo are going to be disappointed," you would have been close enough to be truly a fact. :)

    And I tend to think a goodly number of people holding out will be disappointed. Then again, I think I'd be disappointed with how little TiVo has grown in the past 5 years. :)

    I also think some people within DIRECTV do care about TiVo--or did. I think they really wanted to serve the group that had to have TiVo.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  9. Jeremy W

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    Yes.
    No. It keeps whichever buffer is in the background.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    No, it switches the buffer you are watching. That is what I mean by independent. They do not interact at all.

    Whether you surf up/down or change channels, the Tivo methodology is hidden and counterintuitive. It doesn't tell you it is dumping the buffer in the other tuner or that it changed tuners.

    The DirecTV approach doesn't change tuners UNLESS YOU ACTIVELY DO SO with the down arrow. You are only affecting what you are working with.
     
  11. SledgeHammer

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    I dunno... seems like all the hold outs care about is the SL / SP limit... and in that regard they will NOT be disappointed.

    If they expect VOD, MRV, Tivo2Go, Netflix, YouTube, QWERTY remote, etc. they certainly will be.

    From the last few guys that posted in this thread, all they care about is the SL limit, so who knows...
     
  12. tonyd79

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    If that is all they care about, why did they wait so long. They could have just added another DVR and had more SLs. I think they also have a (fond?) memory of Tivo and just plain like the GUI. And for that, they will not be disappointed. In other words, if they want an equivalent of an HR10 with MPEG4 and more disk space (and optional OTA), they will be happy.

    Pssssst. Actually I think they hang on the SL limit only because it is the only thing they can point to that is factual. Liking a GUI is feeling, not fact.
     
  13. Jeremy W

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    I believe VOD will actually be included.
     
  14. JBernardK

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    I don't find it counter-intuitive at all. IF you choose a channel that is already tuned on a tuner, it switches to that tuner. Why would you ever want the same channel on two tuners? I do see how you could drop a buffer you want if you are not careful.

    You can always press the info button and see what is on both tuners. I don't get the concept of a "background tuner."
     
  15. Jeremy W

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    What is there not to get? The background tuner is the one you're not watching at the moment.
     
  16. SledgeHammer

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    As we discussed earlier, if you a techie (or a dbstalk member) you might be down with having 5 HR2x boxes to make up for the SL limit. I think only a tiny majority of people would be into having a set up like that. If you have multiple TVs its an easier sell.

    I am a techie and am into gadgets and am obviously on dbstalk, but I wouldn't even bother setting up 2 HR2x boxes on my one TV. Seems like too much of a hassle and its too expensive IMO. I'm not willing to pay $199 + $9extra / month just to get more SLs.

    I loved my HR10 when I had it and I still think even the classic Tivo interface is generally nicer then the current HR2x interface. That being said, the HR2x interface is pretty much the same minus the Tivo mascot and at this point in time, I'm not willing to give up the PIG.
     
  17. RACJ2

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    So, who's on first?

    I actually think I followed what you were saying and I prefer the way DoublePlay works. As was mentioned, just wish the buffer stayed on all the time.
     
  18. fasTLane

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    Which begs the question, why can't the buffers stay on all the time?
     
  19. tonyd79

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    Don't know that we got an official answer.
     
  20. tonyd79

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    For the EXACT reason I gave. Why have them do a dance around each other? Affect what I am working with and seeing, not something else.

    Why would you think it intuitive to jump to the other tuner just because you changed a channel? I never told it to change tuners. I want that tuner to do what I left it doing and mind its own business.

    But you don't have to do that with the DirecTV approach. Less active work to be done.

    I always hated the interaction of the two tuners on the Tivo and was glad when I found that doubleplay doesn't have that problem.
     
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