DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q2 2011 Thread)

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  1. SledgeHammer

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    Its very hard to overcome the initial impression. If the box comes out and its lame, crippled or unstable, you aren't really going to win people over with newer versions unless its an awesome feature that people must have and isn't available on the HR2x.

    At this point with it being 2 1/2 to 3 yrs late, there isn't much Tivo can do to impress people.

    I'm sure if they came to their senses and the delay is because they decided to pimp out the box, I'm sure Doug or others would know about it by now.
     
  2. Doug Brott

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    I see the word "crippled" used a fair amount with respect to this product .. It's the same thing as the HR10-250 for the most part .. It's never been more than that. "crippled" implies that something was taken away so what specifically is crippled about this product?
     
  3. Jeremy W

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    I think the difference is what it's being compared against. It may not be crippled when compared to the HR10-250, but when compared to Tivo's latest and greatest, it is absolutely crippled.

    However, Tivo's latest and greatest doesn't work with DirecTV.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    Okay, how about "challenged?" :)

    You don't have to have something taken away to be crippled. It can be genetic.

    Anyway, I agree with Jeremy W (above). Compared to today's Tivo and today's DirecTV DVRs, this thing will be "challenged."
     
  5. tonyd79

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    And that is that. Hard to make it great at this point. Most DVRs do the basic stuff and this sounds like it will be the basic stuff. Any differences beyond preference of GUI are pretty much minor from DVR to DVR (unless it is a Comcast Scientific Atlanta POS).
     
  6. Jeremy W

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    Comcast's Guide is basically the same on both SA/Cisco and Motorola boxes. However, the SA/Cisco SARA guide (that Comcast used to use, and most providers still use) is horrific.
     
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    Good that we are tackling some important terms, what about his use of the term "pimp out"?:) I wonder if it is a correct description of what is going on. Never say never right?
     
  8. SledgeHammer

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    Its crippled compared to the HR20s. Hell, its crippled compared to almost any modern DVR out there. Its crippled compared to the standalone Tivos too.

    Oh, and let us not forget that they took away the built in OTA with channel re-scan... and the modding capabilities.
     
  9. SledgeHammer

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    I've personally used Tivo, Moxi and the HR2x series... I can say for a fact that the Tivo and the HR2x are pretty similiar, but the Moxi is very different. Its not as thoughtfully laid out and often shows a very limited amount of information. BUT... even it has full time PIG... something that makes the new DTivo very lacking.

    Then again, I guess if you are using SLs, the need for PIG is pretty small.
     
  10. fasTLane

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    Still find it astonishing. All this interest in a late, crippled, challenged, disabled and stripped down unit.
     
  11. SledgeHammer

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    It could be made awesome.

    Networking + built in OTA w/ rescan + 1080i/p HD GUI + PIG + full time DLB + VOD + MRV + the higher SL limit + QWERTY remote + real time GUI + swivel search + Tivo2Go + YouTube + Netflix + Amazon + eSATA

    and I think *everybody* would be sold on it.

    I know DTV will probably never do Netflix + Amazon lol, but maybe they will kind of be forced into it by customer demand down the road.

    Then again, there is some rumor of a DTV netflix like service... but seeing their other prices like $30 PPVs, I doubt they will be able to compete with Netflix for pricing. Selection on VOD is horrible.
     
  12. SledgeHammer

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    What interest? I think everybody will be astonished at how badly this thing does IF it ever comes out and that is still a big IF at this point. I don't think the majority of the people in this thread have interest in paying an extra $5 / month for a "late, crippled, challenged, disabled and stripped down unit"
     
  13. fasTLane

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    Reckon this thing will even have power cord?
     
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    Which will never happen so it won't be awesome.
     
  15. SledgeHammer

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    Thats an extra $3/month lease fee.
     
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    I can't speak for others but when I say disabled or crippled, I mean compared to the standalone. My TV (and whatever blu-ray I ever get) has/will have Netflix, Amazon, all that on it. Just about everything else has that, why do we need another piece of equipment that have those services?

    So what I would like to see in a TiVo based DirecTV receiver is a current generation standalone TiVo with DirecTV tuners. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's a pipe dream and will never happen. Main thing I like about the TiVo vs the HR's is TiVo2Go. I guess one day that may be coming in some form, eh? Maybe one day we will be able to play shows off our DVR on our iDevices or other portables.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    You want the Nomad... :D
     
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    Again, can you please show me anything in writing, or link me to something that says Comcast is not going to pay licensed fees to tivo anymore, and that they where before this deal, and that this particular deal killed it? I won't believe it till I see it. You just don't have near enough facts to state what you are stating, because you just assume they aren't paying licensing fees.

    OK, Just did a quick search.. This article says that Comcast still retains the rights for the licencee deal they had signed, and are still able to renew it under the original terms for renewal agreed upon years ago. SO in fact, they are still paying the licensing fees. (Looks like they paid upfront for them)

    http://www.multichannel.com/article...s_TiVo_Set_Top_Deal_But_Will_Open_VOD_Tap.php


    Now, how on earth could Tivo dropping licensing fees for Directv have any impact on tivo customers trading in direct tivos for newer mpeg-4 hd dvrs from directv? The only way I can think of that they might be able to change that is by producing a tivo that does mpeg-4 hd.. Oh wait....

    Dropping a licensing fee does nothing to stop the bleeding of customers. I don't even know how you came to completely illogical conclusion. If anything, its the only truly stead income (if they didn't pay it all upfront) that they have left from Directv till they do get this new box out...
     
  19. jacmyoung

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    You made so many assumptions about the new Comcast deal without any facts for support, yet you accuse me of having no facts. I only made one conclusion which is supported by fact, the fact is, by definition, a license fee is assessed against the use of a licensee's (Comcast's) own device, which may or may not contain the licensor's (TiVo's) technology. Since the new agreement only specifies the use of the licensor's (TiVo's) own device, there is no way to assess a license fee against the use of such device, if you had read some of the court proceedings how a license fee may be determined, you would understand.

    As far as the DirecTV deal, I never said if TiVo agreed to reduce or eliminate the "significantly higher" license fee DirecTV has to pay, all the sudden this project will succeed, what I said was, if TiVo wants to have any chance for it to succeed, they can start by reducing the fees, it will be a start, there is still no assurance it can succeed, but at least TiVo will have a better chance, if there is still any chance at all.

    The reason I specifically focused on the "siginificantly higher fees" is because I believe this high fees are one of the real reasons behind DirecTV not motivated to help TiVo to roll out this new DirecTiVo DVR. The high fees will have to be passed onto the consumers, but more importantly, the fundamental issue is, DirecTV does not need TiVo's technology, more importantly DirecTV is no longer at risk of being sued by TiVo, the CAFC ruling had practically said DISH no longer infringed TiVo's patent, the only thing against DISH was the violation of the disabling order. None of the other companies has such violation issue, therefore when the infringement threat is done, the risk is gone.

    There is no reason they must pay TiVo a license fee to avoid litigation because of the court ruling. If under such condition, Comcast, or DirecTV still decides to continue to pay TiVo the old fees, then they will be more foolish than DISH, I hope that is not your conclusion.
     
  20. I WANT MORE

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    How about you guys start a Comcast vs Tivo thread and move your conversation there?
     
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