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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q2 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Apr 7, 2011 #81 of 879
    jacmyoung

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    I am glad you finally see that you and I actually do not disagree. DirecTV does not care, since it takes both DirecTV and TiVo to care (tango), we have such a delay.

    You just don't like the word I used when I said who is likely to be xxxxxx for the delay. Not that I am trying to blame anyone since I don't care about the new DirecTiVo either.
     
  2. Apr 7, 2011 #82 of 879
    Doug Brott

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    I'm just telling it the way I see it .. Nothing more.
     
  3. Apr 7, 2011 #83 of 879
    Mike Bertelson

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    I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “DirecTiVos took off in 2006”. My first DirecTiVo (HDVR2) was in 2003 and they’d been out a while by then.

    2006 is when the DirecTiVo came to an end. The HR20-700 was introduced 2006 (Aug or Sep I think) and the DVR+ line has been the only new DVRs since then.

    I’m confused how 2006 relates to the DirecTiVo. :scratchin

    Mike
     
  4. Apr 7, 2011 #84 of 879
    Stuart Sweet

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    Actually, as much as it pains me to come to Mr. Young's defense, I believe it was January 2006 when DIRECTV dropped the price of the HR10 from insane (over $1k I think) to reasonable (I'm remembering $300.) I presume sales volume increased commensurately.

    My first DVR was an HDVR2 in 2003. It was a pain to find and I actually had to learn the Circuit City part numbers so I could give them to the sales reps. I did not go with the HR10, as I didn't get HDTV until late summer 2006. At that time I stayed with the TiVo until October. My area was one of the first markets to get the HR20 so I went with that.

    I do know some stuff about the time period, which came from DIRECTV people at CES '06 and '08, and from private communications since. A prototype HR20 was shown at CES '06; it was non-functional but it was there. At that time, DIRECTV had already signed contracts for the new satellites and there was a real feeling that they "had" to get things in high gear in 2006. There was no "conspiracy" other than good business practices. They enticed people with the HR10's newly lowered price, then offered HR20 as soon as they could knowing that all the new channels would be MPEG4. They then started aggressively trading out HR10s for HR20s. I see no conspiracy there.
     
  5. Apr 7, 2011 #85 of 879
    Ciampion

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    For what it's worth I have three HR24's and they are extremely quiet. I have to be within inches of a unit to hear a sound. This is much appreciated for the bedroom TV. My old receivers had clickity clackity hard drives that were very loud. (Of course they got worse over time)
     
  6. Apr 7, 2011 #86 of 879
    Ciampion

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    I still have my well used HDVR2 in a closet. :)
    The hard drive died and they sent me an HR24 a few months ago. Do they ever make you send the equipment/cards back?
     
  7. Apr 7, 2011 #87 of 879
    Ciampion

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    Going from the DirecTivo units to non-tivo directv ones was system shock. I still miss the TiVO.
     
  8. Apr 7, 2011 #88 of 879
    Mike Bertelson

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    I had two HDVR2's and they never asked me for anything back.

    Mike
     
  9. Apr 7, 2011 #89 of 879
    jacmyoung

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    Of course it is not a conspiracy, it takes more than one to conspire. We known TiVo wants this with as little delay as possible, DirecTiVo has been one of its lifelines. Therefore the two cannot have conspired to cause the delay.
     
  10. Apr 7, 2011 #90 of 879
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    Actually, Tivo went sue happy and went to sue all the people who violated their patents. DirecTV thought ahead and instead of fighting it in court like DISH did, they saved themselves a bunch of money and hassle and just signed a "no sue" deal with Tivo instead. Part of the deal is that Tivo can make a new DirecTV box. Read that again. They can make a new DirecTV box. They aren't required to, nor does DirecTV care one way or another. The new DirecTivo is not going to be a competitive box with the HR2x boxes because of extra cost (possibly) and less features (definitely -- this fact is well known).

    I don't think DirecTV is doing anything to stop and/or delay it, but I also don't think DirecTV is doing anything to help Tivo and/or speed up the box release.

    We haven't seen a single leaked photo or any hard specs, so aside from Doug who is confident it will be out any day now :D, everybody else pretty much thinks its still vaporware.
     
  11. Apr 7, 2011 #91 of 879
    Stuart Sweet

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    Whether or not the management of TiVo wants this with as little delay as possible is not at issue. What is at issue is the company's ability to deliver. Every source I have, as well as TiVo's track record with other companies, leads me to believe that the development schedule has been 100% in their hands since day 1. The HR21-100 was well-established at that point, and the only difference between that and an THR22 is the larger hard drive. DIRECTV provided the source code and drivers to TiVo on a timely basis, that's what I was told. It's all been up to them to actually make the thing work, and the fact that they haven't delivered a product means they haven't been able to do so yet.

    It's not up to DIRECTV's engineering department to do TiVo's homework for them. TiVo has had everything it has needed to develop one product based on established hardware, and in the meantime, DIRECTV has shipped the HR23, HR24 (three models), H24 (three models) and H25.

    All TiVo's engineering department had to do was what they promised, which was port their software to the HR21 hardware, and they had full access to all the same information the DIRECTV engineers did.

    To me there's simply no escaping the conclusion: DIRECTV isn't holding this device back, TiVo is.
     
  12. Apr 7, 2011 #92 of 879
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    Unlike with Comcast, where Tivo had to deal with foreign (to them) hardware, DirecTV uses the same hardware that Tivo uses in their own boxes! It's mind boggling that Tivo is seemingly unable to get this figured out.
     
  13. Apr 7, 2011 #93 of 879
    jacmyoung

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    The only thing stated in the public was one TiVo analyst blaming the delay on ever changing hardware specs. I assume he got that from TiVo. I don't consider this one more reliable than any other statements made though.

    It is still my view DirecTV did not sign and let the agreement known in 9/08 because it was concerned TiVo might sue. DirecTV already bought ReplayTV at that time, there was no chance TiVo, in its capacity would be able to take on DirecTV, i.e. take on ReplayTV times 1000.

    It is also undisputed by 9/08 DirecTV was well into replacing the existing DirecTiVos with their own DVRs en messe. Therefore it was not because DirecTV saw some good value in a new TiVo DVR that was worth paying a premium fee for.
     
  14. Apr 7, 2011 #94 of 879
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    Therefore something else was likely at play. Don't get me wrong, I agree with many of you throughout all this DirecTV has done brilliantly, more so than even Hammer had pointed out to us.
     
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    Jeremy W

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    Tivo has shown enough incompetence using their own hardware that I'm willing to say this is their fault as well. I'm also guessing that it's not a top priority, because it's basically a foregone conclusion at this point that the new DirecTivo will be nothing more than a niche product.
     
  16. Apr 7, 2011 #96 of 879
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    Plain and simple, Tivo should have sold out to D* when they had the chance. Most people want to go with a single-vendor solution. How many subscribers does Tivo have, a couple million? And I think that counts the holdouts like me on SD DirecTivos from before 2006. I was checking in the other night to see about maybe going with Cox cable. Even with cable cards only costing $2.00 a month, it's still twice as expensive to go with cable cards and two Tivo Premiers than to rent whatever Cox provides - by quite a bit a month. Most people are not into paying a large premium for a "best of breed" product.

    My decision is very cut and dry. I'll wait three more months at max. By then, if the DirecTivos still haven't seen the light of day - reviews in electronics mags, active marketing on the part of DirecTV and/or Tivo, beta testers coming forward and saying that the product is ready for prime time - I'll just go with the D* branded stuff.
     
  17. Apr 7, 2011 #97 of 879
    Stuart Sweet

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    One way to read this is that TiVo was offered access to every model DIRECTV had on the shelf or in development and, after some internal haggling by them, chose to use the HR21-100 because it was most similar to (but not exactly the same as) one of its units.
     
  18. Apr 7, 2011 #98 of 879
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    will this have unlimited SP like my hdtivo?

    will this have a space indicator?

    other than those 2 features i dont need anything else and am thrilled this box is coming and finally something i want is coming true in life ;)
     
  19. Apr 7, 2011 #99 of 879
    Doug Brott

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    Most likely you can have as many series passes as you want just like earlier TiVo versions. I don't know for a fact, but I would be surprised if you didn't.

    Space? I don't know do the current TiVo have this?
     
  20. Apr 7, 2011 #100 of 879
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    They added it to premier. Maybe others with software update.
     
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