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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q3 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.

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  1. tonyd79

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    You know, it is actually the fault of those damned consumers. If they just ignored the announcement by Tivo that they were making a new DirecTV Tivo and it would be out by a certain timeframe, there would be no disappointment. It is all the consumers fault for believing Tivo.

    That seems to be what your argument boils down to.

    Now, why would Tivo even make the announcement if it was not some level of commitment. The result is that consumers delay decisions based upon the expectation that something is coming. The FACT is that announcements such as the one Tivo made affect consumers' decision making.

    The FACT that you are ignoring is that the target of the announcement is the consumer and you have to think the way THEY think, not some semantic strawman you are making about legal commitment dates and order dates.
     
  2. Mike Bertelson

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    You’re so right. It’s about the consumer. ;)

    The weird thing is they aren’t putting out any real info for us consumers lately. With everything that’s happened in the HD DVR+ line, the delays in delivery, and the apparent lack of new info, it kinda makes me wonder if it’s gonna happen at all.

    I can almost envision a scenario where it either dies but DirecTV and TiVo renew their current patent agreements, or maybe, just maybe, DirecTV buys TiVo.

    It’s all supposition but interesting. :D

    Mike
     
  3. Doug Brott

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    Maybe I should just bow down to the TiVo gods and capitulate ..

    <dreamy voice>Ah, TiVo I love thee so .... Thank you for all that you do because without your words of hope where would I be?</dreamy voice>

    Gosh, now I'm sounding like an apple fanboy !rolling
     
  4. Mike Bertelson

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    Say it ain't so! :eek2:

    :D

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  5. jacmyoung

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    We are talking about assumptions and the credibility of them. The assumption that DirecTV may want to have a phenomenally successful DirecTiVo is not supported by facts. The historical fact is when DirecTV had the ability to make successful DVRs, they'd make them for themselves, rather let TiVo do it for them. Therefore my assumption is more credible than yours.
     
  6. Barry in Conyers

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    I don't know if the forums could stand the shock of you bowing down to non-D* gods.:)

    Have never had a Tivo DVR, but the HR24 makes me wonder what a D*/Tivo box would offer that is not or will not be available with the HR24.
     
  7. jacmyoung

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    Where did I say that? I don't think DirecTV gives a damn if the new DirecTiVo is late. But DirecTV did make clear that whatever the delay, if people don't like the delay, blame it on TiVo.

    This has never been about DirecTV holding grievance against TiVo, rather the DirecTiVo consumers bothered by the delay. Since there is no dispute now (because even you admit TiVo is responsible for the delay) the question is whether it is reasonable for those consumers to blame TiVo for the delay.

    You say no they should not blame TiVo for the delay, because they should accept the delay until such time the product is ready for order. As silly as this response (or rather a non-response) may sound, your justification is basically, because TiVo might not care about you guys, TiVo might care more about other small cable consumers, before TiVo might get around to get the new DirecTiVo available for you guys, so stop complaining and wait:)

    I am not going circular, I am just trying to lay your argument out and make it easier for people to understand:) You are more than welcome to refute my interpretation of your argument, however calling names alone is not very convincing.
     
  8. balboadave

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    You just described Apple's business plan to a T, as well as dozens of other tech companies. The real world does not agree with your arguments.
     
  9. CuriousMark

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    That is what we all want to know. Some of the features that a stand alone TiVo has that would be wonderful are:

    • Kidzone - a separate now playing list for the kiddies that you can control, they never even see what is on your now playing list. (The new DTV box is supposed to have this)
    • TiVo Search - kind of like the internet movie data base but customized to just show you what you can get in the next days, plus online, plus via VOD (Also planned for the new DTV box)
    • Amazon Video on Demand - If you have used it on your computer you understand, but here it downloads directly to the DVR (probably won't have it)
    • NetFlix - Pretty much just like you would get on a pricey blueray player or with the Roku box, but integrated and shows up in your TiVo Search. (Sure would be nice, but no clue if it will be included or not)
    • Video Podcasts - Hundreds of video podcasts you set up similarly to a season pass for a TV show. When a new episode is posted, the DVR downloads it and has it available. Things like Rocketboom, The Onion News Network, and hundreds more. (another would sure be nice, but we don't know if it will be included or not)
    • TiVo2go - The ability to archive shows to your computer. You can bring them back to watch them, burn them to DVD with third party software, or convert them for your iPad, iPod, iPhone, many other smart phones and players. (probably won't be there, you would probably have to let Apple sell you the portable device version separately through iTunes)
    • TiVo to Come Back - Pull home movies from your PC or other videos you have from other sources and watch them on the DVR. Depending on PC software used for this these can be copied to the DVR or streamed from the computer. (maybe HR24 already has this, in which case it is not new)
    • Blockbuser Video On Demand - Just like Amazon; but hey, competition is good.

    I left out MRV because the HR24 has that. I also think it supports outboard hard drives for storage expansion, so I also left that out. Feel free to expand on what I likely missed.
     
  10. Mike Bertelson

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    I doubt it will have Netflix, Amazon on Demand, or Blockbuster. That would compete directly with DirecTV’s DoD. Everything else seems reasonable. Of course I’ve been wrong before. :D

    Mike
     
  11. jacmyoung

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    I doubt several other PC file transfer options (the content producers would not allow this, whether HR24 or DirecTiVo) will be available on any new DVRs, a few others Mark seems to say are planned for already, so really there is not much the HR24 will not have. On that point, I actually think it is a valid speculation that TiVo might have put this thing on the back burner since it is likely a lost cause anyway.
     
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    That's pretty much what I said in parenthesis. I personally think NetFlix has a bit of a better change of being included than the other VOD services. I REALLY doubt they would include TiVo2Go and conversions for portable devices. The content providers really seem to want to sell that stuff separately and they also seem to be paranoid of people using it to post the content to file sharing sites, so DTV will most likely want to keep those folks happy.

    I like to make DVDs for use when I travel using my series 2 TiVo DVR. That is one feature I would hate to have to give up simply because content providers would rather I buy the show again from Hulu or Amazon. Even those options won't work on an airplane, but the DVD does.

    Anyway, my point was that the TiVo DVR does have a few compelling features that are not yet on the DirecTV DVRs, although the list is very much shorter than it used to be.
     
  13. Mike Bertelson

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    Agreed. Any online streaming that competes with DirecTV services and contracts will likely be excluded.

    Mike
     
  14. CuriousMark

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    That is an area where the stand alone TiVo's are already weak anyway. Besides NetFlix, they have no other online streaming (I am ignoring download services here, where you BUY/RENT the show) that would compete head to head with VOD. They don't have Hulu or any flavor of TV anywhere now. Thus not having it on DirecTV would be no change from the status quo for a user like me.
     
  15. jacmyoung

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    Many of the compelling features you mentioned not only existed on TiVo, but ReplayTV, even DISH's DVRs, but will not be available on the new DVRs, heck the only reason TiVo still has some of those features is probably because TiVo has not reached the significant level of market share for the content owners to be bothered to demand the removal of such features.
     
  16. Mike Bertelson

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    Yeah, I was trying to agree with you (while having a discussion with my wife :D).

    We can output from the current HR2x’s to copy to DVD so that shouldn’t be an issue...I don’t think. :grin:

    I think those features will be the only thing that makes this potential new DirecTiVo work. I wonder which features it would take to make the TiVo stand far enough above the current DVR+ to compensate for the higher monthly fee.

    I don’t think I could even hazard a guess that makes sense. :shrug:

    Speaking only for me, the current crop of TiVo features wouldn’t be enough to garner the extra fee.

    It’ll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

    Mike
     
  17. Doug Brott

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    don't get your hopes up Re: Netflix
     
  18. Matt9876

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    The delay between DirecTVs deployment of Mpeg4 HD and the deployment of this next gen TiVo (last TiVo was the R=10 SD unit) has had the following results in my home.

    A lifetime TiVo member no longer owns a TiVo and DirecTV no longer has a paying customer (DirecTV customer since 1996)

    Dishnetworks HD DVR now takes care of my recording needs,Your delays no matter who is at fault has cost you a paying customer.

    I vote on many issues each year with my wallet,Your past (HR24 is the exception) slow crappy DVRs have cost you many a customer.
     
  19. Doug Brott

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    At this point I can't say that I expect there to be much of an extra fee associated with the TiVo service. It may just fall right in under the same DVR fee.
     
  20. Doug Brott

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    While you certainly are a lost customer, DIRECTV has still gained (net) customers since the transition. TiVo has certainly lost DIRECTV customers over this.
     
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