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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q3 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.

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  1. Steve

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    As we know, the new agreement states TiVo will get "significantly more" than what they were getting under the old agreement, and I believe that was about $1 per subscriber per month.

    My guess is DirecTV will charge the same up-front price as they do for HR's, but tack on a monthly subscriber fee of $2.95, similar to Comcast's TiVo household upcharge in the Boston area.
     
  2. jacmyoung

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    Based on the initial anticipated rollout time, it would not have been based on the HR24 platform.

    I don't think they have since amended the new agreement, based on all indications both parties seem to be doing the minimum just not to violate the agreement. So I think it is reasonable to speculate the $11.5M is at least very close to what was spelled out in the agreement.

    If the delay has to do with the effort on both sides to incorporate the latest hardware and features, we should have heard them mentioning it.
     
  3. Steve

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    Just because we didn't see an HR24 before 2010, I seriously doubt DirecTV didn't have prototypes a year earlier. These boxes don't just happen overnight.
     
  4. jacmyoung

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    I did not say they did not have an HR24 prototype back then, what I said was, based on the initial anticipated new DirecTiVo rollout time of the end of 09, they likely did not plan to have it based on the HR24.

    They might have since considered the HR24 platform for the new DirecTiVo, if so a lot more needs to be put into the agreement, including the likely increased cost. And if the theory is correct that incorporating the new HR24 hardware had caused the delay, it only underscores the difficulty in such new effort.

    In any event this being the case, TiVo would have been quick to point it out already.
     
  5. Steve

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    But you don't know if DirecTV projected releasing the HR24 by the end of '09, at the time they negotiated the new deal.

    TiVo must have known there was a new box coming out, because the existing HR21/22/23 platform was the same as the then current TiVoHD platform, so that would have been the quickest port (path of least resistance) for them. The fact it didn't happen tells me they want to use the 24.

    I don't know how you can draw that conclusion based on the language in the new agreement, which is repeated in this company statement:

     
  6. jacmyoung

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    Based on the actual HR24 rollout date this year, DirecTV would not have told us back in 2008 that the new DirecTiVo was anticipated by Q2 of 2009, had they planned it to be based on the HR24 hardware. It would have been a reckless statement.

    The initial Q2/09 date indicated that they had likely planned for the quickest porting route, which again points away from the HR24 hardware. The fact it didn't happen could be that they later changed their mind, decided to use the HR24 hardware, or simply they decided to put the project on the back burner. But neither speculation disputes the assertion that the initial plan likely did not envision the HR24 platform.

    I did not draw any firm conclusion, only to speculate that if later they decided to change to the HR24 platform, it would likely have increased the cost, which naturally could have required some amendment of the agreement, but more importantly if the delay were to make a better, newer DVR, TiVo would have been quick to point it out.

    But as I said, I am not dismissing any of the speculations, only to ask which ones maybe more logical, others less.
     
  7. ejjames

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    My parents still use a 10-250 in their livingroom, with a HR20-100 in the theater room. I have always trumpeted tivo...but visiting them and actually using it again? I realized I could be much faster with the directv box.
     
  8. Doug Brott

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    This is my problem with using the TiVo these days. I'm actually much more fluent in HR2x now than I am in TiVo. I still have a TiVo that my daughter uses and I have to re-learn what to do every time I go in there. It's truly not as intuitive as one would think on the surface. Heck, I thought it was intuitive, but I struggle to find things now which means that a "dummy" isn't going to grab a TiVo remote and find 100% success.

    That being said, If your parents are happy with the HR10-250, then they will likely be happy with the new TiVo as well (with the added benefit of HD access to SAT channels).
     
  9. bicker1

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    I simply expressed my perspective that holding unfounded expectations like that is not defensible. You've perverted that into a moralistic "wrong". Let's stick to arguing about what I actually did write.

    No sorry, there is no excuse for attacking a poster personally (see example, above) for disagreeing with another poster's perspective.

    How much do you want to beat this dead horse? I'm a vegetarian, so I really object to such animal abuse. :-\

    Who's your lifetime contract with, specifically? TiVo or DirecTV?

    Your instinct in this regard is exactly what I was referring to all along: Consumers can only reasonable set our expectations based on the information they provide. Rhetorical Q: If they provide no information, what expectations should we set?
     
  10. Stuart Sweet

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    OK, here's the public warning:

    This is a thread for pro/con discussion of the TiVo unit. I don't care which point of view you take, but keep to that topic and that topic alone.

    This is not a thread for anyone to pick a fight with anyone. Discussions are great, pointing out your opinion of someone else is not.

    This is your first and final warning. I will ban anyone from this thread at will for personal attacks of any kind. Take personal discussions to private message, period.

    Thank you.
     
  11. CuriousMark

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    I know you aren't looking for an answer, but the question does provide food for thought. For me, it is what we are doing in this thread, trying to make as educated a guess about what the feature may or may not be. Mostly I do this for fun, but I may use those best guesses in my buying decision. Those guesses may turn out to be wrong, but that is OK. If I use them I know they are only guesses. I have the choice to wait too and base my buying decision on reality. If I charge ahead and set myself up for disappointment, it won't be TiVo or Dish I will be disappointed in, it will be my impatience.
     
  12. rayik

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    1 1/2 years ago - yes up to $10 / month.

    Today, after using a HR23 for 1 1/2 years, no. Not a penny more.
     
  13. Stuart Sweet

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    I can tell you a little about my expectations, and they're pretty low.
     
  14. itzme

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    I was a huge Tivo fanboy, and I feel the same way. I wouldn't pay a surcharge. Happy with my HR21 and two HR24s now.
     
  15. bidger

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    It's Lifetime DVR service through DirecTV as long as I remain a customer, but it was only possible as a DirecTV w/ TiVo subscriber. There were no similar offers for UltimateTV subs.
     
  16. bicker1

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    Absolutely.

    Yes, very well-said.

    It sounds like your agreement with DirecTV says that you can transfer your lifetime service to whatever future DirecTiVo ever gets released. That would be more generous than the way I remember that being worded, but it's been years since I've dug into it deep enough for my memory to be clear enough. Unless the new agreement with TiVo specifically covers this, based on the way they've been handling related issues in recent years, I expect that TiVo would insist on a cash payment from DirecTV for each transfer.
     
  17. Doug Brott

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    DIRECTV "bought" all of the support for Lifetime DVR service from TiVo long ago. At this point "Lifetime" is the life of the account and has nothing to do with a specific DVR.

    Yes, it is unclear what that means to the new DIRECTV TiVo .. It may be included, or there may be a new "TiVo service" fee above and beyond the "DVR service" fee. I don't think anyone will know until there is an announcement.
     
  18. Mike Bertelson

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    I would think something should be inlcuded. Those that paid for lifetime should get something for their money. IMHO, they should get something akin to what they thought they were paying for.

    Otherwise it almost seems like a scam. :shrug:

    Mike
     
  19. bidger

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    And, needless to say, it's one of the best (if not the best) investments I ever made.

    I do recall seeing folks post on here after the TiVo S3 release and the Lifetime Service Transfer offer, coupled with doubt we'd ever see another HD DirecTiVo, calling to have the Service transferred to the S3. Some were successful, I guess, and it seemed to depend on which company you activated Lifetime through, DirecTV or TiVo. I did it through DirecTV when I activated the unit.

    Anyway, I do think some followed their DVR platform choice, but I've found the Lifetime DVR to be an excellent retention incentive. Just one more thing that can be guessed about.
     
  20. DogLover

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    I know this doesn't apply to everyone with lifetime, but when I purchased it for my SAT-T60 it was specifically for the lifetime of that receiver, with no mention that it would be transferable. (That was pre-2 tuner activation.) Sometime after it was transferred to DIRECTV, and before I lease my first HR20, it was changed by DIRECTV to be tied to the account. I've already gotten more out of it than I expected when I paid for it.

    I know others may have had different conditions when they purchased their lifetime.
     
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