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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q4 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 20, 2010.

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  1. bonscott87

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    I was doing all that on the HR2x platform 3-4 years ago via Media Share. ;)

    Well, DirecTV already announced YouTube integration coming for the HR2x. Hulu will never come, a competitor. But I could easily do Hulu via the HR2x anyway.

    One thing you may not be aware is that the DirecTivo of the past never had all the stand alone features. So many of the things you list were never on the DirecTivo's (some were with hacking, thus my comment on hacking). So history teaches us as well as divining what has been told to us that the majority of these "cool" Tivo features that are on stand alones today will not be on the new DirecTivo simply because DirecTV doesn't want them to be (for whatever reason, usually competitive reasons).

    FYI I have no horse in this race, I dumped DirecTV almost a year ago and just have a HTPC. :)
     
  2. Brennok

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    Right, but doesn't mean we couldn't see some form of the new search.
     
  3. Skyboss

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    Extremely well in DirecTV's case. All thats missing is the ability to remotely handle the series management. I rolled the dice on going to an all HR24/MRV layout and man... You want to talk about a reliable setup.
     
  4. fernly

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    It is a satellite provider, teaming with Tivo to produce a satellite DVR with OTA and internet capabilities, in other words exactly what we would hope to get from DirecTV but have not.

    The relevance is, if Tivo and this Norwegian company can deliver that product, why cannot Tivo and DirecTV deliver it?

    Another point of relevance: a seemingly competent company appears to find Tivo credible as a technical partner, despite Tivo's poor record in delivering a satellite DVR for DirecTV. What does Telenor know, or think they know, about Tivo, that leads them to overlook this record? What does this say about DirecTV? To me, it strongly suggests that the problem here is not technical incompetence by Tivo but deliberate foot-dragging by DirecTV.
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

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    Striking a deal and delivering on it are obviously two different things...as we have seen. If I were them....I'd be concerned on how TiVo has failed now at least twice by being over a year+ late with Comcast and DirecTV agreement timelines.
     
  6. litzdog911

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    I don't think it says anything about DirecTV. Where's the "foot-dragging"? DirecTV and Tivo have had an agreement in place for a long time, with a hot new HD Tivo under development for a long time. It's not about the agreement, it's about delivering a real and reliable product.
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    Which repeatedly now has be pointed out...including that TiVo is driving the delivery time bus....and is behind in the target dates announced previously. DirecTv can't offer the unit until Tivo gets their work done first...
     
  8. Richierich

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    I think TiVo may have driven the Bus into a ditch on the way to pick up the school kids. :lol:
     
  9. CuriousMark

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    Then perhaps you could point me at resources that will get this working for me. I am willing to launder this stuff through a PC if I must. So far, media share has been mostly a bust for me, so I just use the TiVo.

    If there are resources that could help me get that working, I am all ears.

    I was aware, but I believe that most readers here only have experience with either DirecTV DVRs or DirecTiVos and therefore had no clue what they were missing. I think that background accounts for most the "TiVo doesn't innovate" talk.

    I wasn't really aware that a directivo could be hacked to gain these features. I knew MRV could be added, but that was about it. I don't follow that stuff since it hasn't interested me.

    Either competitive reasons or a bad case of NIH. One thing is clear, it wasn't TiVo holding back on offering the features so much as DirecTV choosing not to pick them up for one reason or another.
     
  10. CuriousMark

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    TiVo delivered with Comcast, it WAS late, but they delivered. Comcast scrapped the project going national anyway. The TiVo part has been done for years now and Comcast still hasn't gotten Tru2way off the ground.

    TiVo did say that DirecTV requirement changes in the form of moving target of a platform contributed to the delay. Please be less one sided, it is not solely TiVo's fault with DirecTV.
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    Tivo missed their own announced target dates, which changed more than once...with only the firmware to be delivered and tested...so no one could possibly be to blame except TiVo themselves. Finger-pointing aside...there's a history with those folks overselling but under delivering.
     
  12. DogLover

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    Are you sure that TiVo said that it was DirecTV "requirement" changes? I thought that I remembered that they just said "platform changes". That could just mean that TiVo decided to keep up with DirecTV platform changes, not that DirecTV required it.

    I would think that they are smart to keep up with those platform changes, even if it meant a delay. However, that doesn't translate to DirecTV requiring them to keep up.

    I may be remembering incorrectly, but I'm sure if I am someone will find the quote.
     
  13. Doug Brott

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    Ah .. Here we go .. I've been waiting 2 years for someone to bring this up. Let me be clear on this.

    The delay is NOT because of DIRECTV. Now, there are certain requirements that I'm sure will need to be met .. most notably closing the ability to hack the TiVo. So if you guys call things like that "foot-dragging" by DIRECTV, then sure, have at it. But keep in mind that TiVo would have known this from day 1.

    Let's not forget that TiVo first said it would be out second half of 2009 .. Then sometime in early 2010 and later switch to "just 2010" and now, it won't be available until 2011. I'm confident we are now "close" but as far as I know, DIRECTV has met all of it's obligations in this arrangement. I'd like to think that TiVo has as well, but the evidence is .. TiVo is where the delay is.

    It's not like this is the first time TiVo has done this. Pretty much every single TiVo project has a mulit-month (often multi-year) delay. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck .. by golly .. It's a duck.
     
  14. Richierich

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    Excellent Response Doug!!!

    I would like to say it is a Shared Responsibility as things change with Directv's Platform (for instance the addition of MRV) then TiVo's Responsibilities also change and they have to now incorporate something into the Directivo that they had not specifically anticipated but generally knew that as things changed on the Directv side of the Equation then TiVo would have to accomodate those changes because who would want a Directivo without MRV (and MRV or WHDVR is just one example of a change in Directv's Platform that necessitates a change for TiVo).

    It Is What It Is and It Will Get Here When It Gets Here When TiVo and Directv meet all of their respective responsibities regarding the ability to bring to the Marketplace a Directivo that will satisfy our Directv needs and our TiVo needs (but maybe not every single thing we want).
     
  15. hdtvfan0001

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    I suspect having missed 2 holiday seasons now passed the original target date...TiVo has lost tons in potential sales dollars.

    Still thinking we may see a pre-production unit at CES in 45 days from now, if they're indeed going to come out with a DirecTV TiVo-based HD DVR in early 2011 some time. If so....several DBSTalkers will have their onsite eyes open and cameras ready.
     
  16. Richierich

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    You would think TiVo would have some kind of a Beta Prototype to show the World but who knows but we will go to the TiVo Booth or Room to inquire about the Directivo and it's availability and probably get nothing more than a TiVo Shirt and a Plush TiVo Doll!!! :lol:
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

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    It's nice to want...

    It's nice to dream...

    In 45 days....you'll find out. :D
     
  18. Richierich

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    That's Right and I will be there with Camera in hand a a Recorder to Record their responses to our questions.
     
  19. BattleScott

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    Exactly. And given the nature of the "new agreement", I don't see where DirecTV has any real motivation to see it completed. To me it has seemed like a simple appeasment deal all along and that DirecTV couldn't care less if it is ever completed.
     
  20. Scott Kocourek

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    If the Tivo unit had been out a year or year and a half ago I would most likely have bought one. I really didn't like the HR series especially when the HR20 came out, then having some troubles with the HR22 while still owning 2 SD D-Tivos I think I would have just switched over to all HDTivos.

    Now it's a different story, I like my HR's and I like the constant advancement of the series. WHDVR certainly changes everything and with the upcoming release of NOMAD will make the HR's the best bang for the buck.
     
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