DIRECTV HD TiVo (THR22-100) Anticipation (Official Q311 Thread)

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  1. Aug 25, 2011 #581 of 1071
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    It depends on whether DirecTV allowed TiVo to implement their hard drive expansion menchanism or not. If they did, it should work just like it does on a TiVo HD. If not,then perhaps they required TiVo to do it the DirecTV way, or not do it at all.
     
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    Are you saying that the direcTV eSATA implementation turns of the internal drive with a hardware or mechanical switch? Somehow I doubt that. I find it far more likely that the difference is all in software. If it is software, there is no reason why plugging in an eSATA drive MUST disable the internal drive.
     
  3. Aug 25, 2011 #583 of 1071
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    He specifically mentions hooking up a external hard drive to the SATA port in the video. I have to believe someone would have caught that and edited it out if it wouldn't work at all on the TIVO.
     
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    if the THR22 has the same hardware in it as a regular HR22 could that mean directv could do a software upgrade on the regular HD-DVRs to turn them into a tivo if the customer wants tivo service?
     
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    It doesn't turn it off, but it does disconnect it from the SATA bus.
     
  6. Aug 25, 2011 #586 of 1071
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    It is supposed to be the same SOC used in the TiVo HD which supports two.

    Edit: after reading your more recent posts I will presume that they are not as close as I thought. The chip in the TiVo HD is a cost reduced chip, just not perhaps the exact same one.
     
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    Regardless of whether or not it's technically possible, it's not going to happen.
     
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    The Tivo HD has a port multiplier.
     
  9. Aug 25, 2011 #589 of 1071
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    That is no more than a guess, but it certainly may be true. There is a big difference between copying between two well controlled boxes and copying out to a PC, a la TiVo ToGo. Clearly TiVo ToGo would not be allowed for the above reasons, but copy MRV to a secure box shouldn't be as much of a problem. If DirecTV wanted it, they probably could have gotten it by the content providers. They probably just didn't want to bother with that since getting an interoperable MRV solution would be a much better final goal.
     
  10. Aug 25, 2011 #590 of 1071
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    I agree with Jeremey here. If it were going into flash, it could be downloaded, but the new boxes are being "manufactured" according to TiVo. I interpret that to mean that the flash is being refashed into a bootloader and TiVo softrware is being loaded on the hard drives. Just a guess on my part, but it supports Jeremy's point.
     
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    In a purely technical sense, absolutely. But this gets into IP issues, which don't always align with the technical stuff. For example, with Tivo's MRV system, if a program is flagged "copy once" or "copy never" it simply can't be MRV'd because it requires a copy to be made. The fact that it's "between two well controlled boxes" is totally irrelevant. A copy is a copy, period.
     
  12. Aug 25, 2011 #592 of 1071
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    TiVo is on record as saying no. They were gun-shy about doing a downloadable operating system after the disaster they had trying to do that with Comcast on Motorola boxes. Recent statements indicating that the new boxes were being "manufactured" indicates to me that it is more complicated than a software download.
     
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    OK, thanks for the explanation.
     
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    Right, and "copy once" or "copy never" content is not MRVable in the TiVo ecosystem. As a matter of fact, on a TiVo copy never content has a continuously decreasing 45 minute buffer so it can't even stay on the original hard drive for long.
     
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    Thanks for the info.
     
  16. Aug 25, 2011 #596 of 1071
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    I remembering being really jazzed about the announcement for the directivo back in the day. At the time the HRs were buggy, trickplay barely worked, audio problems commonplace, no doubleplay (which I missed from my original SD Tivo badly), MRV and internet streamed video weren't even a consideration. Now the HR has all that and more with HD interface supposedly on its way. Too little and far too late on this device. Two years ago, maybe but not now.
     
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    Another two year committment? :rolleyes:
     
  18. Aug 25, 2011 #598 of 1071
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    I mentioned it to my father, and he is just as happy to stick with SD at this point.

    I can see him in the future upgrading if something happens to his current DirecTiVos or his 40" CRTs, but for now he doesn't think it is worth the extra money. Also he is spoiled with the upgraded drives in his DirecTiVos so I don't know that he would be happy to go from 1200+ hours to however many the HD TiVo will have.
     
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    Believe it or don't, but I have no use for MRV. One (really nice) TV. I wonder how this box performs, though, using the slowish HR22 hardware.
     
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    That is actually an issue, believe it or not. All modern devices have IP control of some sort or other, and very soon that will be the way remotes go, from your smart phone if from nothing else. Once you have a whole system of IP-based devices, you won't accept anything that doesn't play.
     
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