DIRECTV HD TiVo (THR22-100) Anticipation (Official Q311 Thread)

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  1. Aug 30, 2011 #761 of 1071
    Tom Robertson

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    There were no platform changes during this time period. TiVo just took so long that DIRECTV has introduced their own platform changes--but TiVo is still using the original one. (That was current at the time things got started.)

    TiVo, as I understand it, had a poison pill. They could not be purchased at the time. (And a fairly high market value as compared to today.)

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  2. Aug 30, 2011 #762 of 1071
    hdtvfan0001

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    Yet despite reality of Tivo being the slacker in the lengthy journey...some people seem in denial enough to want to blame everyone but them.

    More impotant...after all this time, it has become the non-event of the decade.
     
  3. Aug 30, 2011 #763 of 1071
    Jeremy W

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    So first it was DirecTV changing the platform multiple times, and now it was DirecTV's games forcing Tivo to stick to the original platform? You can't even keep your own BS straight, how do you expect anyone else to believe it?
     
  4. Aug 30, 2011 #764 of 1071
    sigma1914

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    If Tivo software is so superior, as you claim, then how come they're struggling so much to stay relevant? Why wouldn't a major provider scoop them up to design a DVR? Everything they've seem to do has been a failure or half azzed product.
     
  5. Aug 30, 2011 #765 of 1071
    Jeremy W

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    Come on, you know that the failure of all their other products is also the fault of DirecTV! It's common sense.
     
  6. Aug 30, 2011 #766 of 1071
    sigma1914

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    :lol::lol: My bad. Evil DirecTV!!! :mad2:
     
  7. Aug 30, 2011 #767 of 1071
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    First off the poison pill is real or Charlie would have bought TiVo rather than fight them in court because it would have been cheaper. Do some research before posting that something doesn't exist. DIRECTV would have purchased them because it would have been cheaper than going in house. The poison pill made it not so. Look at every investor meeting ever and count how many times TiVo has been talked about. Investor's don't care about that they care about making money. DIRECTV has done that well enough without TIVO. TIVO on the other hand has done nothing but lose market share and flub roll outs, lookup the comcast roll out, so from an investor's standpoint you're not going to win this argument.

    http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=3928&mid=10441941&pt=msg

    Second the software that they have still had to be written for the new chip. These aren't x86 chips where instruction codes are always backwards compatible.

    Now you could do some real research if you wanted to but you don't and just want to blame DIRECTV because you're a TiVo fan. Here's the nutshell version. DIRECTV has their own platform and therefor doesn't need to be concerned if the TiVo comes out. So TiVo already knows they missed the window. They chose to put more resources into other projects that had a better chance of getting them market share. Hence the TiVo Premier and the attempted Comcast roll out.

    Saying the TiVo Premier UI is the best thing out there is of course your oppinion however I know many avid TiVo fans that hate that UI with a passion.

    TiVo has made very poor business decisions which has put the company in a situation where they cannot compete anymore. To blame DIRECTV is simply silly. If they are so amazing then why are they not the DVR of choice for every company out there except DIRECTV?

    It's ok to like a product and to want it. To come here and post blatently incorrect information which has been discussed in this thread already just makes you look like those people you're attempting to flame.

    If you think being a moderator at a forum and speaking positively about a company will get you a job then I would suggest the following:

    Go to a website registrar and register a domain name perhaps something like t1v0l33tn3zz.com and then post nothing but amazing things about TiVo all day long. See how long it takes for them to give you an office. Please give us an annual update on how that works for you. I'm sure it would be much cheaper than the education and experience the people who have gotten jobs with DIRECTV who happened to be moderator's here paid through their life.
     
  8. Aug 31, 2011 #768 of 1071
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    A poison pill would only prevent a hostile takeover. TiVo could have been purchased if both companies agreed to a price. The poison pill expires soon, a high enough hostile bid could work when that happens.
     
  9. Aug 31, 2011 #769 of 1071
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    And many here want to blame it all on TiVo, and keep doing so over and over even when shown that DirecTV had some likely part in it. Saying so is not blaming everyone else, just demanding intellectual honesty.
     
  10. Aug 31, 2011 #770 of 1071
    Jeremy W

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    The thing is, Tivo has proven that they're perfectly capable of screwing up projects all on their own. There's no reason to believe DirecTV tried to sabotage Tivo, especially since Tivo never said anything about it.
     
  11. Aug 31, 2011 #771 of 1071
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    However the chipset is fairly close to the one in the TiVo HD, so much of the code base for basic things should have been failry compatible. However, some of the changes that DirecTV wanted, such as free space indicator, are things TiVo had shied away from implementing on that code base for unclear, but very real reasons. TiVo had said that code base was fast becoming unmaintainable and that was one reason TiVo redesigned their software from scratch on the TiVo Premiere.

    This I agree with. The TiVo Premiere when it came out was version 1.0, a complete new code base designed from the ground up to be maintainable and modern. TiVo at that time cut way back on a lot of things trying to reduce costs and I believe this DirecTV project took a hit compared with those others. It was only after beating Dish and going on a hiring binge that this project finally seemed to gain some speed.

    And many that like it quite a lot. I think the same can be said for the DirecTV product line UI too. In general the new TiVo HD UI is liked better and the fact that DirecTV is making a new HD UI for their line indicates that the advantages of a colorful, full screen real estate using UI are worth pursuing. I am sure when it comes out, there will still be people that will prefer one over the other, it is after all a matter of personal taste to a very large extent.

    Or been taken advantage of by many larger companies with much deeper pockets that forced them into decisions that should not have been necessary. It is a matter of perspective isn't it? In reality and a lesson that TiVo needed to learn is that people buy the television service not the DVR. TiVo seems to understand that now and is selling to service providers now, so I argue their business decisions are getting bettter. Now that they have some IP leverage to use to level their negotiating position, they are also making deals that are less bad for themselves too. The New 3 tuner Virgin DVR is the DVR of choice for at least Virgin, and some others going forward.

    So I would contend that TiVo simply made a bad deal here with DirecTV and are playing it out. I don't think this is a great deal for DirecTV either, but they can afford to not care much, they have what they wanted, IP protection.

    You have to admit that some of the responses or rebuttals by pro-DirecTV posters also contained incorrect information which has been discussed in this thread. Yes, they are looking like each other. ;-)

    It is too bad that the marketing guys at TiVo and DirecTV didn't come up with something like the Virgin box, I think it would have been well received by everyone.
     
  12. Aug 31, 2011 #772 of 1071
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    Because until something like Allvid comes along which opens the market for nearly any company to easily make a universal DVR that works on both cable and satellite, no one else wants to get into the market. Look up the Steve Jobs interview on why Apple wasn't going to make a DVR or STB.

    There is a slim hope with AllVid, but knowing how the FCC works it will be a failure and you still won't see the equivalent of the smartphone explosion and innovation with DVRs and STBs.
     
  13. Aug 31, 2011 #773 of 1071
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    I also doubt we'd be talking about the possibility of it being released in 2011.
     
  14. Aug 31, 2011 #774 of 1071
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    But this is an example of jumping to a bashing conclusion that has been discussed and set straight here before on many occasions.


    Nowhere did I say or imply that DirecTV is trying to sabotage anything, and I hate bullies trying to put words in my mouth that were never there. That does not make DirecTV blameless in the delays and final feature list being underwhelming. They could have allowed TiVo's MRV system until their streaming version could be completed, but they didn't. They have reasons they considered good to not do so, sa you and I have discussed, but that decision is still responsible at least in part for why there is no MRV. Don't confuse responsibility and blame with intent, DirecTV almost certainly had no intent to sabotage the product. They however did have intent to make decisions that make sense for their company that were not helpful to the project from a customer perspective. Which is all well and good. All I am saying is to not then bash TiVo and blame it all only on TiVo. They worked together on this and should share the responsibility for how well it works.
     
  15. Aug 31, 2011 #775 of 1071
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    The Virgon box was based on the Premiere and came to market on schedule about a year after the deal was signed. It is a success and primarily responsible for turning around TiVo's MSO subscriber numbers. By every measure it is a success. The DirecTV deal predated the ability to do a box like that by years. The Premiere and its new code base didn't exist yet. So why the slam? It is uncalled for and emotional.

    If DirecTV were to sign a deal for a follow on box today, and negotiated all the features with the hardware and software guys in the room, not just marketing guys, I would expect the result to be done in about a year, if international satellite deal hardware and software designs could be leveraged, maybe a little longer if not.
     
  16. Aug 31, 2011 #776 of 1071
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    The first step of any 12 step program is getting past denial, and its obvious that Tivo-holics struggle with that.

    It's been years since TiVo signed the deal and got the specs...yet they have not delivered. Simple as that. They run the day-to-day operations. They do the coding. They do the testing. Tivo, not DirecTV.

    If folks want to blindly believe that Tivo is not accountable for this incredible delay (which is not the first time they have a delivery deadline fail either), then by all means - go for it. Most folks know better.
     
  17. Aug 31, 2011 #777 of 1071
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    The Virgin box is a cable box, same as Premiere. They didn't have to change much.
     
  18. Aug 31, 2011 #778 of 1071
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    Seriously?!?!
     
  19. Aug 31, 2011 #779 of 1071
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    Yes, they did it with Virgin, they did it with Ono which is starting to deploy now and is on schedule. They are on track with many smaller cable companies with no complaints of delays. Where there are delays and complaints it is Comcast, Cox, and DirecTV, where the MSO or sat provider already has their own solution already in place and is not motivated to take up the TiVo DVR.

    TiVo could do it quickly with DirecTV if both sides wanted it badly enough. The track record is there to prove it.
     
  20. Aug 31, 2011 #780 of 1071
    Stuart Sweet

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    Perhaps... but another way of looking at that is the smaller cable companies may not have as stringent of a quality control process as the larger ones. This could lead to delays in testing.
     
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