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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 26, 2011.
So, are you saying that wish lists on the D* DVRs work a lot better?
We currently have two: a S2 (which hardly gets used anymore) and an HDS3. We pay $10/month total, due to grandfathering and having been customers for a little more than 10 years.
I'm surprised. Wishlists work great for us.
But it feels like everyone's kind of missing my whole point: We love TiVo, yes. But I also love what DirecTV seems to offer in terms of HD programming, sports packages, etc. So, I am expecting to join your ranks soon. Didn't think I was going to invite scorn just because I happen to be a TiVo fan -- especially since this thread is all about the impending release of the DTiVo box.
That would be quite the winning business model. Strike a deal with TiVo, instruct them on how/what the software is to do, provide the hardware platform, pay TiVo for the product delivery and then abandon the marketing completely.
Yeah....that makes a lot of sense.
I don't think any scorn is intended. It's just most people fail to see the logic behind sticking with something like Tivo and missing out on 150 HD channels. I have no issues using DirecTV's interface and I never have a problem recording anything I want to watch. I wouldn't even want a DVR that recorded things on it's own.
In 2006 I was offered a free HD DVR (HR10-250) as a reward for being an NFLST sub. I requested the HR20 instead since I knew that new HD would be MPEG 4. Took about a year, but when the new channels were added I was able to view them from the outset. Was it painless @ the beginning? No, the initial install had to be adjusted and my first DVR bit the dust. By the end of that year I found the HR20 to be stable and I found out there were things I liked that TiVo didn't offer.
Am I a TiVo hater? Well, since I'm using a TiVo HD while I'm auditioning TWC (there's no way I could adjust after seeing their DVRs in use), I'd say no. Am I a die-hard TiVotee? No, I have used and enjoy other DVR platforms and I don't find TiVo "flawless". Since I'm integrating the TiVo into a SONY Google TV Blu-ray player, it eliminates a pet peeve of mine about the standalone TiVos. There's a DVR button that takes me directly to Now Playing instead of having to hit the TiVo button 2x. Also, if I hit the Guide button while watching a recording, it brings it up without going to Live TV.
It's perfectly fine that you favor the TiVo and I'm glad that it's going to come out for you. It's just that a lot of us moved on when new HD channels started rolling out. If forced to choose, I'd watch more HD channels live, vs. being able to record a limited number and a whole bunch of SD.
Oh, I do understand where you're coming from. And I might have followed suit, if we hadn't invested so many $$ in the S3, which was $800 when it was released (which is when we got it). If it were ONLY up to me, I'd have switched a year ago, figuring that we'd probably gotten enough of our money's worth out of the TiVoS3 to justify moving on. (Which probably isn't true. I mean, $800 is a LOT of money for an HD DVR! But I can at least lie to myself about it.) Alas, it's not only up to me. So the compromise I agreed to is that we make the switch when D* offers a TiVo HD unit.
I'm pretty sure I specifically said that they'd meet the marketing commitments. Read it again.
Never once could I get a wish list to properly record any of my sports teams without missing shows, recording replays, and other shows I did not want.
I have not missed a single recording, only get what I want, and only get live telecasts with my. DirecTV records, so yeah, I am saying directives is way better.
Now, I am not saying it's so easy unless you use boolean search words, which many may not know about, but I will say even without using them, my hrs still record every game... They just get other extra stuff too. TiVo couldn't even figure out how to record every game.
You must not record sports then...
That was always my number one complaint.
The second was I couldn't just hit the record button and have it record, you have to go through all those menus... Dumb IMHO that they treat you like a child all the time.
I say use what you like, but as others have said, I'd never allow a gui to keep me from getting a service that provided a lot more of my shows in hd' even if it meant going back to TiVo for me, which I don't like. Luckily, that will never happen....
I guess the real question here is, why you don't like the DirecTV hrs in comparison. With 3 units, you'd have 150 series links, and be able to watch any show recorded on any unit o any of the other tvs, no waiting. If you are comparing todays units with sd ones, they are totally different.
And be forewarned, your grandfathering is out the window with the new units. You will have to pay for them...
With that said, I think the hr34 will just decimate the debate of the best receiver, based on what we know. I think that if TiVo ever works on creating another box for DirecTV, it will be based on a hr34 model, seeing how they are building a standalone unit with similar capabilities. you can't beat 5 tuners, unlimited series links, pip, rvu, mrv, and so on... If I where you, I would wait till it hits the market and the hd guide hits DirecTV receivers, and the TiVo hits, which I almost think will all happen within about 6 weeks of each other or so, and then make a decision. Just because you love something now doesn't mean you won't find something even better tomorrow.
that's what I said. apparently the training he got at work (DirecTV installer) said you CAN'T
I would never use a wishlist to depend on recording pretty much anything. I use searches to find possibilities but if I want to record a team, I will take the time to do the recordings for the team. I sure as shootin know any team I follow when they play and would never rely on guide data and logic to get those games and nothing else. Not on a Tivo, not on a DirecTV DVR, not on anything.
Although I do not record live games anyway. Never saw the point.
Never saw the point in recording live games? Prior to DoublePlay, it was the only way to watch 1 game and buffer a second game so you could rewind and watch what you missed. Didn't you even do that back in the day?
Personally I travel a lot, including Sundays. So I have a series recording for my favorite NFL and NHL teams and record all live games. Then either watch them via Slingbox live or delayed or watch them when I get back home. Even if I know the outcome, I like to see how my team and players actually performed.
I Record Golf, Nascar, NFL Football and College Football so I can see the games even if I know the Outcome to see how my College and NFL Team Competition looks like and to see how my players are performing, etc.
I also watch Golf Tournaments even if I know who won just to see how certain golfers made mistakes or bad swings that cost them the tournament.
Haven't missed my 2 HR10-250s which Directv swapped out for Free with 2 nice DVRs. I just want a DVR to enable me to Watch or Record what I want to watch when I want to watch it.
You're right, at least not via the Wishlist function.
For me, hitting Record starts recording (or saving the cache and then Recording from that point on) immediately. Not sure why this wouldn't have worked for you.
I'm all for trying the DTV HD units. I never have; I've only played around with one sister-in-law's SD unit, which has a remote that feels really cludgy compared with the TiVo one. I have another sister-in-law with a whole-house HD setup and their family loves it. So I'm certainly open. But, as I've said, it's not entirely up to me. Hopefully, the whole issue will be moot by October...
Oh, of course. It's tied to my specific units and my contract with TiVo. I'll pay whatever TiVo fees D* includes in the package pricing.
I have had a second DVR for some time. So, not really. Plus that locks me into a game I may or may not want to watch all of.
Besides, if I am sitting there, I would not use a wishlist to record the game, which is the reference of the conversation.
I think he means one button record for future shows from the guide. Pick a show three days from now from the guide, hit the record button once, scheduled recording. Twice, adds a season pass for that program. Third time clears the recording options.
Ah, thanks. That must be it.
OK, but I was replying to your comment about never recording a live game, which to me refers to recording in any manor. A second DVR in the same room, that makes sense why you wouldn't have to record on a second tuner. And I understand that recording locks you in, but you can press record and stop it if you change your mind. As I said DoublePlay has eliminated the need to record it. And I'm sure Tivo's can do dual tuner buffering as well.
A search to create a series recording is what I was referring to in my prior post. They work great for me to record a whole NHL and NFL season of my teams live games. As long as you set them up right. So if I had a Tivo, I would want the wishlist capability.
I know a lot of people do that but I have not seen any wishlist type software work 100% of the time (especially with blackouts, etc.) so I would just make sure the games I wanted were recorded myself. The search part works for me. I have those. But I would use them to make it easier to find what I wanted. I would not rely on autorecord...
We may be speaking the same with different words.
It certainly is. A lot of folks are conditional TiVo fans. IOW they want TiVo on the condition they pay the subscription rate for the in-house DirecTV DVRs. Kudos.