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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 28, 2011.
Dec. 8th - right ?
Of this year?
Let's see, THR-22.....as in HR22 resurrected with Tivo? The villified slower than molasses at absolute zero HR22? Please tell me it ain't so. Why not THR-24? Can someone, ANYONE, with any informed knowledge of this machine tell me this is not an HR-22 with a Tivo interface thrown in and a Tivo logo on the front?
You are correct. HR21/22 internals in the tivo box.
Why you might ask? Because tivo couldn't hit a target date if their lives depended on it. In the mean time, the HR23 came out, then the HR24, now the HR34.
Are those who were/are chomping at the bit over this D/Tivo box still interested after this tidbit of information? Let's hear from you. Personally, I'll stick with my fast HR24s. Still want the D/Tivo box? Good luck.
BloopbloopPoop.... Sounds make for a better DVR? Now I've heard it all.
So, now that I've been monitoring this thread since many of you took at as your aim to thrash me point by point for my desire to have Tivo again, I'm baffled by a handful of things:
I still think the Boolean WishList thing on the HR2xs is not intuitive at all, and makes crazy stupid mistakes. Example: I learned from this thread the syntax AALL, so I decided to try to replace my wife's *four* Top Chef Season Passes with one AALL TOP CHEF CCHAN 237 & Interests & Cooking set to AutoRecord First Run Only. Today, that AutoRecord recorded five 2010 episodes of Top Chef Masters and is set to record 4 2008 Episodes of Top Chef. Maybe I've idealized Tivo, but I just don't believe Tivo was that dumb as to confuse shows from 2008 or 2010 as first run here in 2011. Or have I made a syntax mistake? Or are you going to say that Tivo does the same thing?
Y'all are touting how bad it will be that the new DirecTivo will be on the HR22 hardware platform, but then please explain to me how it is that you all have HR23s and HR24s? DirecTV coerced me out of my HR10 and gave me an HR22-100. That's what I still have. Maybe I haven't thought about calling them up and saying "upgrade me" because I've been waiting for the new DirecTivo and didn't want to have new hardware from DirecTV when I called them to upgrade me back to Tivo. Or maybe I accumulate things on my DVRs and don't like starting over with a new box...
What are you all saying about paying $5 more per month for the DirecTivo box? You don't pay a DVR monthly fee now? Or, you didn't buy the lifetime some time ago? I guess this is another thing I don't know, but my monthly shows a $5 DVR fee and a $5 credit against that same fee, and it has been that way since I bought the lifetime DVR subscription fee for $250, like, 7 years ago or something.
Okay, explain to me now how I'm wrong on every one of these points. Just be gentle.
That's a guide date thing on it recording old shows. And yes, TiVo can and does have this issue too. Original air date means nothing to dvrs, what does it weather or not it's flagged as new or repeat, (which we cant even see on screen anywhere) and I'm guessing that the channel isn't flagging these shows as repeats. Especially if it's in syndication. Are those by chance episodes that once aired on a different channel when they where new? All friends shows on nick at night are not flagged as repeats. Think about that for a min. Talk about manipulation by stations. Many stations do this on purpose IMHO to get dvrs to record their shows in hopes you will watch it again anyway and add to their ratings. Some channels are worse than others. I have found the more main stream and original programing on the channel, the less this happens, although if its syndicated, repeat flags are out the window it seems. Example, rarely on a network, or on say USA and TNT, do i have or see issues, but comedy central doesn't even know where the repeat and new tags are.
And add to that, have you ever used the wish list on a TiVo. Talk about randomly recording stuff. You could never have narrowed that down to only record top chief on one channel. Never.
Boolean is awesome, and intuitive, if you understand Boolean logic and understand the thought process behind its implementation, but, it's completely not user friendly for people to set up, and not many people outside dbstalk even know it exists. One of the biggest things I would like to see directv add is a better search mechanism using Boolean.
Hey, I stil have several 4 hr20 and 2 hr21, so not everyone is running only with hr24, although I have one of those too. DirecTV doesn't even offer upgrades from one model to another, so the is no point in asking that. You d have to get it from a online retailer directly. I don't blame you for not updating, but know the hdgui will be out soon, which speeds up many aspects of your current dvr. And I can not ever call a the coming TiVo and upgrade in any way myself. The absolute best I could ever do is call it different. It's missing way to many features that are important to me, but then for some, those differences may not matter. It has one or two things that would be nice on directv dvrs, but they are nowhere near as important as what it will be missing is what most people think, even many TiVo fans that have given up on it. Frankly, if you want a real upgrade far beyond any other unit out there, wait and get an hr34. Now that will be above and beyond all other dvrs.
Many people don't have free lifetime service for dvrs, so there is a 7 a month fee for dvr service. However, the new TiVo will be at least an additional 5 per account, maybe even per box above that fee, from what we have heard. And don't expect your lifetime dvr fee to cover the new TiVo dvr fee either. I think they are putting it in a different class.
If you only have one tv in the house, then looking at a TiVo isn't a bad idea IMHO, and if you really love TiVo go for it. But I have to wonder how long before you start cursing at it for not doing some of the simpler and finer things a DirecTV unit does, like hitting record and having a recording set, instead of wadding though pages of confirmation screens, and other things like that. If that doesn't bother you, then you will be happy with a TiVo. There is no real right or wrong for everyone, only right or wrong unit for you. For me, TiVo is a terrible abomination of a dvr, but for you it may be perfect.
^This. And not having to exit live or recorded shows to do simple tasks, though I don't know how TiVo will approach this with the DirecTV unit. It's just something I never cared for. That and having to hit the TiVo button 2x to get to Now Playing.
If you haven't used Tivo, I don't think you have heard it. LOL!
But, yes, if you have been conditioned by a product over a significant amount of time (12 years in my case), the lack of a feature will be missed.
As I stated, the HR24's that I have are all around better for me. I enjoy the new features greatly. But, having some confirmation sounds would be most welcome.
Used to like the sounds but they were so slow on my hd TiVo (the last one I had) that I turned them off. They often lagged the actual action
A feature needs to work well to be a useful feature.
That is one thing that I really like about the HR24s. They have much less lag than Tivo. I just deactivated 3 Tivo HD units. They are generally snappy but Season Pass management is a well known lag fest. Selecting a program to record is hit or miss at being laggy. Neither are major issues but they sure can be annoying.
So far, the HR24 has been nearly instant for Series Management and Program Recordings. I sometimes get some lag when hitting the List button but it's usually quite fast.
As much as I loved Tivo, I'm happy with the HR24 and have no desire to return to Tivo on DirecTV unless they somehow WOWed me with speed and features. Historically, Tivo has used the bare minimum hardware and the user experience reflects that. I don't expect anything different this time, but, I'll keep an eye on them anyway.
I just forced the new interface update to my HRs on Monday. Before that, I probably would have been stoked about the Tivo resurrection. Now, I'm not sure. I loved my DirecTivos when I had them and it was a pain to give them up, but HD beckoned. The new HD interface does help close the gap.
Because the equipment model has moved squarely into DirecTV's court, I can't help but be leery of getting stuck with another legacy device. I just got through swapping one of my HR20s for a HR23 (free upgrade) to receive 3D programming. If the THR22 doesn't have 3D support, then I'll end up with a fractured receiver setup - Tivo and HRs. Don't really want to go there, either.
I'll go out on a limb and make a prediction here:
TiVo will come, fairly soon. Will "you" be able to get one Dec. 8th? Maybe not. But it's a fair bet that someone will be able to, whether it's a test market or just limited availablity. Certainly the hardware couldn't be the issue; there are gajillions of HR22-100s out there (and I know that's not a word.) It's just a matter of the software, adding a peanut remote, and probably a new owner's manual.
I'll make another bold prediction: There will be about 10 frequent DBSTalk posters who jump for joy. Because honestly, I don't expect this to be a box for enthusiasts. Everything I hear says... no MRV, limited or no On Demand, 30-minute buffers, limited or no interactivity.
Let's not even talk about the extra $5 per box or whatever it is. You guys start hate threads when DIRECTV ups their charges by 10%. This would be what, an 87% increase in the fee per receiver?
So who will go for the THR22? Well, mom and pop who still have an HR10, SAT-T60, or HDVR2 at home and use it to pause live TV when they go to the bathroom. They've been holding off on getting HD service because they just plain love TiVo. And more power to them... TiVo is a great service for them, easy and friendly. Also there's that nice smoky animated background and that huggable character up in the corner.
This will be a great way for DIRECTV to drive revenue by adding HD to those homes who have been holding out. It will increase customer satisfaction among that group, too.
But enthusiasts? I think most of you will stay with your HR2x's. They're pretty good, when you think about it... 90-minute buffers, the new HDUI is coming, and of course, MRV.
Agree completely (as a cable/TiVo subscriber who'll be switching to DirecTV). I think a lot of posters here are assuming that they should want to make the switch from what they've got from DirecTV to the new TiVo unit. I don't see that happening at all; it's not the point.
This is simply the unit for people who love TiVo and want to carry that experience over when they make the switch from cable/OTA to satellite. I don't expect this to sell millions or change anyone's life who loves their current DirecTV hardware. It's just one more option for new customers who want TiVo functionality with their satellite service. It's like Apple offering six different kinds of iPads, multiple kinds of MacBooks, etc.; one size doesn't fit all, and it's just one more option.
You're both right, there will be a market for it. I believe it will be a small segment, but they will most likely be appeased.
One of my brother's left D* for E* doing the new customer special thing, but he loved his SD DirecTivo so much that he said he'd pay E* to leave when D* got the new one. Then he learned that the new D*Tivo was essentially what he had, with HD.
He's staying put with E*.
You are mixing up a bunch of fees
* Its $6/month for each set top box (of ANY kind)
* For the FIRST set top box, they refund you the fee so on your bill, it looks like $6 and then -$6
* There is a $7/month DVR fee, you pay $7/month if you have 1 or 100 DVRs
* There is an ADDITIONAL $5/month Tivo fee. You pay this if you have a Tivo based DVR
A side note: The "lifetime" subscription was a Tivo thing... if you bought it through Tivo, DirecTV will not recognize it. If you bought it through DirecTV, they will recognize it assuming they still have that information.
I'm pretty sure the receiver fee is $6.00 now. The extra $5.00 (or what ever it is) is an extra Tivo fee, I believe.