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DIRECTV HD TiVo (THR22-100) Anticipation (Official Q4-11 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 28, 2011.

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  1. Dec 2, 2011 #241 of 381
    SledgeHammer

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    LOL... Kidzone is one of the 3 crazy reasons I've seen for why people still want this thing. The others being the remote and the sounds :D. They'll get the remote and sounds, but I wonder what the holdouts who want Kidzone are gonna do???
     
  2. Dec 2, 2011 #242 of 381
    RobertE

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    Ironiclly, at the pace that tivo is moving, the kids will outgrow kidzone before tivo gets done. :lol:
     
  3. Dec 2, 2011 #243 of 381
    TomCat

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    And there are two credible reasons to support that:

    1) it is not proprietary hardware, so may not have unique hacking opportunities one might expect for something wholly different.

    2) one of the reasons it may have taken so long is that the hoops DTV has made them go through likely include making it as secure as current DTV hardware.​

    The only reason I keep a '250 running (which expanded can only hold about 20% of what a HD DVR+ can hold) is that slo-mo is implemented properly on the '250 (rather than ridiculously), which comes in pretty handy when you need to scrutinize the Victoria's Secret special :). Otherwise, comparatively speaking, it is old, slow, obsolete, and underfeatured.

    And it may be a challenge to do slo-mo elegantly in MPEG-4, so for that and a host of other reasons, while I expect it to be every bit the equal of the HD DVR+, I am not expecting the new Tivo to be a world-beater by any stretch of the imagination.

    There is little unconquered frontier at this point that would justify a "premium" DVR which would be set apart technically from what is already available. So, Mr. Rogers, "good luck with that". I think you've been hoodwinked; DTV delayed you to the point where whatever you come up with will be just another <yawn> DVR by comparison.

    Tivo can't win, and DTV can't lose; they have 98% of the world covered feature-wise and reliability-wise, and for the 2% lunatic fringe fan boys who just can't live without it, they can soon offer Tivo, and any premium cost will be absorbed by the fan boys who pay the premium. Tivo penetration into the DTV universe will always be insignificant, yet hopefully not to the point where they can't cover costs because the demand is so low. And we win, too, as competition keeps everyone on their toes.
     
  4. Dec 2, 2011 #244 of 381
    SledgeHammer

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    Guaranteed the box will not be hackable. DirecTV is strictly closed platform after the whole debacle of the early days up til circa 2004. Aren't the standalone Tivo's pretty closed now adays too?
     
  5. Dec 2, 2011 #245 of 381
    inkahauts

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    That's totaly different than what you said earlier. Whenever you start a new season pass, whatever episode you use to set that season pass will be recorded, period, no matter what the guide data and whatever you set the sl for, repeats etc. The idea is, you selected that episode when you wanted to record, and the sl will also record any other episode based on what criteria you set. That's how they have always worked. That's not a bug, it's expected.
     
  6. Dec 2, 2011 #246 of 381
    I WANT MORE

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    Now available for order on Solid Signal.
     
  7. Dec 2, 2011 #247 of 381
    inkahauts

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    Don't expect that to work with the new TiVo fee. I have a feeling the new TiVo fee will be called a premium, or TiVo specific fee, in addition to the dvr fee, which is what you have for free for lifetime. Not sure, but that's what I expect. This new TiVo fee is the first time it's ever been done, Neil now, all dvr fees where covered by the one directv dvr fee, even the tivos. That's not the case anymore.
     
  8. Dec 2, 2011 #248 of 381
    inkahauts

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    I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason its taken tivo so long to bring this out has been tivos ineptitude to close all possible hacking doors to the new TiVo.
     
  9. Dec 2, 2011 #249 of 381
    sigma1914

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  10. Dec 2, 2011 #250 of 381
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    I saw that but heretofore it would not allow you to add it to your cart and place the order.
     
  11. Dec 2, 2011 #251 of 381
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    Hopefully the 34 will pop on Thursday.
     
  12. Dec 2, 2011 #252 of 381
    pheffner

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    Would it be possible for you to share with us how you forced the update?

    Thanks!
     
  13. Dec 2, 2011 #253 of 381
    P Smith

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    Last pages of the thread will tell you ;) or this.
     
  14. Dec 2, 2011 #254 of 381
    Scott Kocourek

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    We already have two threads of people asking how and when to download the new NR we don't really need the TiVo thread to turn into that too.

    :backtotop
     
  15. Dec 2, 2011 #255 of 381
    Brennok

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    Talking to my father, he will probably just keep his SD TiVos for now. He truly doesn't care about HD, and he is happy with his 40" CRT. I will probably upgrade his TV once it dies, but not until then. He would also greatly miss the high number of recording hours since I upgraded all of his SD DTiVos to at least a 500gb drive. He also has all of my old DirecTiVos in case any of his dies since I made the switch to FiOS years ago.

    My brother prefers TiVo, but I don't think he cares in general. He rarely uses his DVR as it is now. I think he said he recorded like 7 shows last time I talked to him and they were all sports.

    I haven't talked to my father's business partner so I don't know what his plans are.

    Everyone else I know already left DirecTV for FiOS.
     
  16. Dec 3, 2011 #256 of 381
    Lord Vader

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    This term "hackable" when referring to TIVOs is a joke. Hacking is what was done to the access cards of DirecTV in order to get channels for which one doesn't pay. "Hacking" a TIVO can be compared to rooting an Android smart phone in order to customize the receiver to add features or just add aesthetic enhancements.
     
  17. Dec 3, 2011 #257 of 381
    P Smith

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    Theoretically speaking still violation EULA ... but hey, it's all extend functionality as we, users want, not getting free TV !
     
  18. Dec 3, 2011 #258 of 381
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    I think the whole thing boils down as to whether my mom switches back. There was no bigger tivo fan than mom. She switched when we upgraded the whole house to SWiM, multi room viewing, and she now has the new GUI.

    When it's released, and I tell her she can have tivo, and HD, that will be the litmus test. if she says "yes, I want the tivo screen again", then it will be a great success. If she says "nah, I like what we have let's not bother" if this happens, it will most certainly mean tivo's doom.

    AS MY MOM GOES, SO GOES TIVO!
     
  19. Dec 3, 2011 #259 of 381
    hdtvfan0001

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    The timing is interesting, as over the past 2 years at CES(2010 and 2011), we visited the Tivo private meeting room, only to be told it was coming "soon". in another month, we'll be at year 3. Despite reports its coming in December, maybe this time, we'll actually see it for real in January 2012 at CES.

    Ironically, so much time has passed, and so many other very nice HD DVR models have been released during this same time stretch, that it has become a fraction of the "launch event" that it would have been 3 years ago.
     
  20. Dec 3, 2011 #260 of 381
    SledgeHammer

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    I know what it means :). Unfortunately, "hacking a Tivo" also allowed for theft of service back in the day which is a no-no and is why DirecTV secured the boxes. The Series 2 DirecTivos still allowed hacking in the Tivo sense, but it was quite a bit harder.

    What I meant in my original response was, that aside from throwing in a new hard drive, you will not be allowed to touch anything just as you can't on the current DirecTV boxes because the entire OS is stored in signed firmware, not on the hard drive.
     
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