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DIRECTV Install Legacy to SWM

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by skaman74, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. skaman74

    skaman74 AllStar

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    I have no clue on where to start where going to "legacy" to SWM.

    I got...
    HR-24: 1
    D12: 1
    and planning to get
    HR-34 HMC: 1
    H25: 1

    Thanks!:)
     
  2. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    You have 3 tuners now, so almost certainly are running an SWM LNB (single coax in from the dish).

    You will be adding 6 more tuners, which will bring you to a total of 9. That will require the LNB to be changed, and an external SWM16 switch to be installed. Everything will still run SWM, no legacy involved.
     
  3. skaman74

    skaman74 AllStar

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    I 100% sure I don't got swm. And wouldn't it need a swm8 switch because each receiver only needs 1 wire to it.
     
  4. kevinturcotte

    kevinturcotte Active Member

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    If you plan to keep your current receivers, and add the additional ones, it will require a SWM 16.
    HR24 2 tuners
    D12 1 tuner
    H25 1 tuner
    HR34 5 tuners
     
  5. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    Three possibilities:

    1. You do NOT have an SWM LNB now, but do have an SWM8. If this is the case, there will be four coax from the LNB to the SWM8, and a single coax to your DVR (for 2 tuner operation). There will be a power inserter someplace to power the SWM8. If this is what you have, then the SWM8 will need to be replaced with an SWM16 for your added equipment.

    2. You DO have an SWM LNB now, with a single coax coming down from the dish. There is a power inserter someplace as well as a splitter, with one coax going to the DVR and one coax going to the D12. If this is what you have, then the LNB needs to be replaced, and three additional coax need to be brought down from the dish. All four would then go to an SWM16.

    3. You do NOT have an SWM LNB, and you do NOT have an SWM8. If this is the case, at least three coax should be coming down from the dish. Two would go to the DVR and one would go to the D12. There would be no power inserter anyplace. If this is what you have, then an SWM16 will need to be installed to support your new configuration.

    Edited to add a fourth possibility:

    4. You have both a Slimline dish for HD and you have a World direct dish for international programming. In this case you would either have a WB68 multiswitch that both dishes connect to, or an SWM8 that both dishes connect to. In this case, the SWM16 would replace whatever switch is already there.
     
  6. skaman74

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    Thanks. I always thought if you got a swm then you only need one wire for each receiver. Thanks for clarifying.
     
  7. kevinturcotte

    kevinturcotte Active Member

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    Even though there may be multiple tuners in the receiver, it IS just 1 line to the receiver. The number of tuners themselves though count towards your total and limit (8, 16, 32).
     
  8. skaman74

    skaman74 AllStar

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    What other equitment would I need to get..a swm lnb, a 18 multi switch?

    Thanks
     
  9. kevinturcotte

    kevinturcotte Active Member

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    I'd let Directv do it, but if you INSIST on doing it yourself, you'll need to make sure you have a few things. How many cables are going to your HR24? If there is 1, and you can record 2 channels at the same time, you need to swap the LNB. If there's 1 cable, and you can only record 1 channel at a time, or there are 2 cables connected, your LNB is fine.

    Directv SL3 or SL5 LNB, depending on your location (If we had your zip, we could tell you which you need). http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SL3&d=DIRECTV-SL3-SlimLine-Four-Out-Ka%2FKu-Slim-Line-LNB-%28SL3%29 http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SL5&d=DIRECTV-SL5-SlimLine-Five-LNB-Ka%2FKu-Slim-Line-LNB-for-Satellite-Dish-%28SL5%29

    SWM 16 module: http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=KIT-SWM-16&d=DIRECTV-SWM16-Single-Wire-Multi-Switch-With-Power-Supply-%2816-Channel%29-%28SWM-16%29

    Splitters, depending on how you want to distribute your system. There are 2 outputs on the SWM 16, each output can handle up to 8 tuners.
    http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SPLIT2MRV&d=DIRECTV-SWS-2-Satellite-2-Way-Wide-Band-MRV-Compatible-Splitter-%282--2150-MHz%29&sku=874409002404 http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SPLIT4MRV&d=DIRECTV-SWS-4-Satellite-4-Way-Wide-Band-MRV-Compatible-Splitter-%282--2150-MHz%29 http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SPLIT8MRV&d=DIRECTV-SWS-8-Satellite-8-Way-Wide-Band-MRV-Compatible-Splitter-%282--2150-MHz%29&sku=874409002084

    If you want to connect them to the internet for MRV and On-Demand, you'd also need the DECA Broadband Adapter http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=DECABB1R0&d=DIRECTV-DECA-Broadband-with-power-supply-%28DECABB1R0%29 or, if your receivers are nowhere near your router, and you have a wireless router, http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=CCK-W&d=DIRECTV-CCK-W-Wireless-DECA-Cinema-Connection-Kit-%28CCK-W%29 and
    Band Stop Filter for D12: http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=BSFR01&d=DIRECTV-Band-Stop-Filter-%28BSFR01%29

    You can also just connect the HR34 to your router, and this will work as well, though it's unsupported, and anytime you have ANY sort of problem with MRV or On-Demand, this is going to be their default reason no matter what.
     
  10. skaman74

    skaman74 AllStar

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    Thanks. My zip 14221. And I got 2 wires running to me hr24.
     
  11. pitguy3

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    Skaman74, not meaning to hijack your thread, but I tried to send Kevin a PM and it wouldn't allow me..

    Kevin, I am trying to do the same thing Ska is doing. My zipcode is 35094. I have a Slim5LNB with 4 wires going to the multiswitch. My equipment is as follows:

    HR21-700
    H24-200
    D12-300
    R22-200
    HR10-250

    My question is, will my OLD B-band converters still work, or will I need new ones?
     
  12. kevinturcotte

    kevinturcotte Active Member

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    B Band converters are fine, as is your LNB. The problem is going to be that HR10-250. It's NOT SWM compatible. You have 3 options:
    1. Keep everything as it is
    2. Go SWM but disconnect the HR10-250
    3. Go SWM, and upgrade the HR10-250 to the newer (And SWM compatible) THR22 (MPEG-4 Tivo).
    If you do go with SWM, you MIGHT want to upgrade that D12 to an H24 so it can do MRV and HD. If neither of those are a big deal to you in that room though, you WILL need a Band Stop Filter http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=BSFR01&d=DIRECTV-Band-Stop-Filter-%28BSFR01%29 for the D12
     
  13. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    :confused: Using BBCs on a SWiM? :nono:
     
  14. pitguy3

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    Can I run the HR10-250 off off one of the Legacy ports? And we will not be using the MRV with the D10... I JUST upgraded a RCA- DRD420 to het the H24 Monday.. (Behind the times I know... )HA!
     
  15. kevinturcotte

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    Yeah, I wasn't thinking lol Thanks for the catch VOS!
     
  16. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    You could, but would need to have a SWiM that has them.
    Without more than 8 tuners, the normal install is the SWiMLNB, which doesn't have legacy ports.
    The SWM8, has three.
     
  17. kevinturcotte

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    If you get a SWM module, yes. If you get the SWM LNB no. So if you're going to do it yourself, get the SWM8 module. There are 3 legacy ports, so the D12 can be either on the legacy port, or off the SWM side (But you'll need that Band Stop Filter if you use the SWM ports).
     
  18. pitguy3

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    I've ordered a SWiM8 and I'm going to keep my LNB which is the Slim5. I think I should be ok..

    Thanks for the help! Sorry for hijacking the thread!:D
     
  19. kevinturcotte

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    Make sure you get the Power Inserter too. They come separate, and together, but you will need one. Also, make sure you get the green labeled splitters, and DON'T split more than you need to. If you do have to (Say you need to split 3 ways, but you can only get a 4 way), put coax terminators on the unused ports.
     
  20. pitguy3

    pitguy3 Cool Member

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    Will do... What's the difference between the 29volt and the 21 volt... Besides 8 volts??:lol:
     

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