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DirecTV is becoming a horrible company (opinion of a long time fan)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ajiuO, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

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    Sure you get to keep the phone, after you have paid double of what the phone costs in two years, and even more if you keep the phone and dont upgrade to another one
     
  2. JosephB

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    It's not really fair to consider the costs of the service as a cost of the phone, though. It's not like you were paying $70 a month for the phone only. You were getting something else for the money you were paying.
     
  3. inkahauts

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    Yeah but, considering how much you pay for TV versus phone its pretty ridiculous how much they charge people for phone plans.

    And look. DIRECTV lease system is about the same as a car lease system. What's so bad about that? ,I'd never lease a car, but in the case of DIRECTV its more beneficial than owning generally speaking.
     
  4. JosephB

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    The only issue with DirecTV's leasing system is that they used to sell boxes so there are still customers out there who expect to be able to buy them. No one ever complains about not being able to buy a cable box. Its even less of an option for DirecTV because even if you bought a cablecard cable box, you can use it with multiple cable companies. A directv box is worthless if you don't subscribe to Directv. I do think their $200 up front fees are kind of dumb, but, on the other hand you don't have to pay $15 rental fees like you do with cable either so, it's kind of a wash.

    Comparing it to phone companies is not really fair because the cost structures are way different. Way, way less infrastructure involved in satellite TV vs. cell phones.
     
  5. acostapimps

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    I would rather not get there crappy cable boxes even if they don't charge you upfront, some are okay to say the least, But they do get you on the high monthly fees per box, but to be reasonable every provider charge you, even using fancy words to make it seem like it's worth the high fees, sooner or later the bubble is going to burst.

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  6. inkahauts

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    Yeah in my area if you do the math you pay the upfront fee DIRECTV charges in about 14 months with their rental fees with cable and that's also taking into account DIRECTV monthly fees for DVR and such.

    And in some places they charge a monthly lease fee for a remote!
     
  7. KyL416

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    Yep, we had that with Cablevision, and you HAD to take the remote control, they wouldn't let you refuse it and use a universal remote. Some cable providers even have a fee for having extra analog outlets, even if you aren't using a cable box on them.
     
  8. carl6

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    I'm not so sure that statement is true. Totally different infrastructure but I would guess total cost to not be too different. There is a huge financial investment in either infrastructure.
     
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    A big difference between cell phone and DirecTV is that other than roaming cell companies have no outside expense in providing the service. DirecTV pays a good chunk of your monthly charge to the content providers.
     
  10. JosephB

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    There is less physical infrastructure. Cost basis? I don't know, I haven't done the math. A satellite is expensive, but you pay for it once and put it in space. Cell towers require ongoing maintenance and an army of technicians to work on them. Yes, DirecTV has an army of installers but AT&T has an army of installers for their U-Verse and wireline business PLUS techs to keep up with the wireless stuff.
     
  11. inkahauts

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    There is less physical infrastructure. Cost basis? I don't know, I haven't done the math. A satellite is expensive, but you pay for it once and put it in space. Cell towers require ongoing maintenance and an army of technicians to work on them. Yes, DirecTV has an army of installers but AT&T has an army of installers for their U-Verse and wireline business PLUS techs to keep up with the wireless stuff.


    No you pay for sat constantly. There's a control room that monitors an adjusts it constantly forever. And don't forge the uplink centers that are constantly being maintained too as well as all the distribution equipment for all the signals from all the providers including all the locals across the country.

    Plus you are always preparing for the next sat. And while a new cell tower costs thousands a new sat costs millions.
     
  12. JosephB

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    I'm not going to argue with you anymore, but you're not entirely right
     
  13. adamson

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    At times I dislike Directv's ways of doing things...but I still think they are the best programming provider today. It is love and hate like with people. Countdown to this thread locked up...
     
  14. peds48

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    So let's see. when you get a phone, its price is subsidized on your phone plan, after two years, you would assume your phone is paid off and as such you bill should go down, but is doesn't. if you dont upgrade again, and keep the same phone, in 4 years you have paid he phone at least 4 times!

    This is the reason I went with T-mobile. they dont subsidize the phone. you give a down payment, and you pay every month the balance. after you ave paid off the phone, your bill goes down. Heck you can even pay the phone off at once if you wanted to...

    And no, this does not apply to the big two. even you buy the phone outright, you pay the same (for your plan) as if you were subsidizing the phone. What a scam!!!!
     
  15. JosephB

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    Yeah, but those are the costs of the service, not of the phone. I don't agree with it but using service costs as a cost of buying a phone doesn't make sense. It's not a scam if you know what you're getting into.
     
  16. peds48

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    No, according to the big two, IT IS the cost of the phone. This is why you MUST subscribe to a data plan when you get an smartphone, because it is on the data plan that the phone gets subsidized. these two "crooks" (the big two) even went as far to copy T-Mobile idea letting before you contract expires. the BIG difference is that with the big two, you pay a "special plan" monthly fee in order to be able to upgrade early, IOW, they are double dipping... you are playing for the phone twice

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  17. inkahauts

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    In terms if what? Not arguing debating. What is it you see as not needing to be done that I mentioned?

    I'm only talking about comparing upkeep costs.
     
  18. Rich

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    If only T-Mobile worked well around here. One of my housekeepers had a T-Mobile phone and she was always waving it around looking for a signal. Usually had to go out of my house to get a sig. Put simply, Verizon has the only network that works well where I live.

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    Agreed. Same thing with D*. Both Smart Phones and D* are luxuries, I think. But a lot of people don't read the terms of service before they jump in. Then they think they're getting taken for a ride. I have a hard time believing how many threads we've seen concerning the TOS of D*'s service. If the TOS is read and understood and you still jump in and find you can't afford something I don't think blaming a provider is called for.

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  20. JosephB

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    And this is entirely why T-Mobile can offer lower rates than AT&T and Verizon. It's great if you are in an area with good T-Mobile coverage, but if you don't, it doesn't really matter if T-Mobile were offering free service.


    Yup. This is also why I don't get people who try to jump through so many hoops to try to get "owned" DirecTV receivers these days. DirecTV has switched to a lease model. They have for years. They've also switched to a model where they want an installer on site for just about everything and discourage/don't allow self installs. That's what it is, and if you don't like it then move on to another provider.
     

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