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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by jal, Sep 26, 2007.
I think you have this wrong. On full time HD RSNs, there's lots of HD besides the blackouts.
That is not true. I just watched (Saturday) several college football games live in HD from RSNs out of my area.
I certainly would choose to count the RSNs because it is what it is. I think EchoStar should count them as well if they're in HD and available nationally. My only beef with the DNS being counted is that they are not easily available to most people. LiL are easily available to most people.
As for me not getting HBO, no I don't pay for it, but it should still be counted .
What types of exclusive programming do they have?
as has been said NUMEROUS TIMES which you fail to acknowledge, the RSNs have HD content outside of the games. I realize you are not aware of this with access to only game-only HD RSNs, but there is some HD content outside of the games. And in the off chance that you get access to an HD game on the channel it only adds to the available HD.
I actually don't think it's possible to watch any of the current 9 RSNs over a 24 hour period without seeing a single block of HD. You will catch at least one or two shows in HD, not to mention the possibility of a game or two.
The 2 RSNs I receive SNY and Yes are full of HD programming, from highlight shows to pre and post game shows to sports roundtable disscussion shows.
Man I get the feeling of Deja Vu all of a sudden.
correct what does this have to do with channel counts
There are five 24/7 HD RSNs of D* ... on those feeds I have no dispute that there is something else available that may be in HD. But what seems to fail the grasp of those reading this thread is the four new feeds are NOT 24/7 HD RSNs. Unless Fox recently changed their schedule the ONLY thing that is produced in HD for those feeds are pre/game/post feeds.
So post all the schedules you want for the 24/7 RSNs .. they are ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT. What is relevant is counting feeds where the ONLY HD content is the game and said game is blacked out in most of the country.
As far as the college football in HD, if it was on one of the 22 HDs that E* carries the game would have been available nationwide. There are 8 RSNs E* doesn't carry in HD. Perhaps it was on one of those?
I only count the NINE RSNs because at the Highest package without extras I can reasonably expect to tune to and watch something in HD on those channels excluding blackout periods. This is true no matter where you live. I don't know of any location in which you can expect the same from the 22 part-time RSN's. Why are these game only channels so important to you? If I were a potential customer I would look at what I could expect to get in my area from the different providers. This TOTAL will be different everywhere but based on the current state on things D* will win in channel counts, price, and arguably content every time. That said I really must question your constant defending of E* and their HD lineup. If you are happy with your current programming then say "hey D* has channels that we don't we have channel they don't and I'm ok with that” but going on and on about your ability to watch FSN Detroit outside of Detroit is a little silly. I like that your list includes all available options, I just don't get how your so shock that people count real 24/7 channels but not ones that come on every fifth Wednesday. But I digress.
I see college football in HD on channel 647 on D* for this Saturday - A FSN channel.
On the four new FSN HDs, is it ever in HD outside of the blackout period?
647 is Fox Sports Midwest (channel 418 on E*).
Our EPG shows two games, one at 12:30pm (Teams TBA) and one at 7:30pm (N Iowa vs W Illinois). At the moment no college games are on any of E*'s HD channels on Saturday.
I understand your point about the 4 newest RSNs if indeed they don't show any HD content outside of games that are blacked out. But what I think I'm understanding from you is that you don't want to count the first 5 RSNs either. Those 5 do have non game content in HD that justifies counting them as legitimate national HD channels.
But lets face it, its fox. They aren't going to upgrade to HD until there is an audience out there for it, which requires people having access to it, enter D*. So with the channels available now to a much wider audience, I expect Fox to move towards all HD programing in the future (1 to 5 years) So I must ask, at what point will you consider an RSN, or for that matter any channel an HD channel? What % of the programming in any given day must be in HD? And what must the programing be? I could care less about my local teams press conferences in HD.....
I believe that D* should count any channel that is broadcasting 24/7 that can show all HD programing that can be provided by the content provider. Its not there fault more true HD programs aren't available, but as the HD programing increase they are ready to show it.
How much HD programing was available when Digital broadcasts started for the networks? It was about 5% for a while as I recall, with fox being the biggest holdout only broadcast 480P for the first few years, but we still counted then as HD capable channels.....
Maybe everyone should change the wording to HD capable channels...... Because of all the HD channels, including every network (LIL), only a couple actually show HD24/7.
I just watch the at night, and everything has been true HD 720p or 1080i.
The only problem I have had is more than two good HD programs on at the same time.
And even when I was on Comcast a little upconvert didn't bother me.
What did bother me was SD Discovery... and now the channel selection in HD is awesome!
I hope it comes your way soon!
As noted yesterday, 647 is Fox Sports Midwest (channel 418 on E*).
The section for Fox Sports Midwest shows the Predators at Blues plus pre/post/final score last Wednesday and Avalanche at Blues plus pre/post/final last Friday. The Saturday games are NOT shown as being in HD.
Also, D* added 647-1 FSN Midwest this morning (along with 628 FSN Pittsburgh) ... were you looking at a legacy channel ScoBuck?
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E*'s 22 HD RSNs are available to all E* subs if they sub to NBA LP or NHL CI for game only HD . I did not understand the channel counts. I now understand that
the channel counts include 9 D* HD RSNs that are available to D* Premier subs for non game HD programs. I already have three 24/7 HD RSNs with Verizon that provide non game HD programs.
I have been reading posts that HD RSNs game only content was not available to D* CI subs. So if I am going to decide who to go with, E* or D*, (which I just
did last month because Verizon does not have NHL CI or NBA LP), I want to go
with the provider who is going to give me the most game HD content for the
Ah .. that's what you guys mean about "game only." DIRECTV does not have a package like that that I am aware of. What DIRECTV does have is a package that allows you to subscribe to all of the RSNs. Normally, you only receive your local RSN (or two). This is called the sports pack. Also, if you have premier, the sports pack is included.
Once you have the sports pack, you have access to whatever those channels offer 24/7 and it comes to you in HD now. The content, however, may be up converted at times, but that remains true for every other HD station out there. IMHO, DIRECTV should not be penalized for offering a channel just because the channel source hasn't stepped up their content yet. It still comes to us in MPEG4 and uses the High Definition amount of disk space on our HDD.
CI and NBALP are packaged separately and available on different channels as games are viewed. One could argue that some number of these types of channels should be included, but I'm in agreement that we should not count the HD channels from CI, NBALP, MLB, and NFLST despite the fact that there is a lot of content in HD from these sources as well.
At the moment RSNs boil down to what the providers are providing. There are five networks that have 24/7 HD feeds that are now passed by D*. (There is one 24/7 HD feed that is not passed but that is an issue of an RSN not sharing, not a choice by D* or E* not to carry the feed.) The other 6 RSNs that D* have added are not produced in HD except for the game feeds linked in my message above.
If you're going to count upconverts then E* and D* have both provided 24/7 feeds of every RSN they carry ... but instead of using satellite space for the upconversion they have it built into their receivers. I get the same results on my E* receiver as a D* customer watching one of the six newest "HD" RSNs. SD upconvert plus the occasional game in HD which is likely blacked out unless one is in the region.
The season pass packages are basically repackaged RSNs with different blackout rules. If you want to get into super high inflated channel counts (as both D* and E* appear to want) they could be counted ... but they certainly should NOT be counted in addition to RSNs or any other season pass. They are mirrors ... the companies should not get credit for the number of times they can resell the same signal.
Which as I walked in on my dad watching a talk show on one of the RSN's the other day, after I earlier had watched about 3 hours on a different RSN find completely ridiculous.
Not counting real channels the other guy has that are legitimate full-time channels with content, because you have fallen woefully behind is at best sour grapes and poor sportsmanship. Tell Chuck to buck up and add some more High-Definition channels.