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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by RACJ2, Jun 24, 2009.
DirecTV drops $3 off the bill if you drop locals. Dish just shows the cost before adding locals.
Its not $5 its $3 a month. I dont have the locals & my package for Plus HD DVR is $72.99 instead of the normal $75.99.
We pay a little more because we are with the HD leader...not the follower
With Dish's latest commercial "Dish has 30 million viewers".
With the current promo, 7 HD DVR's with D* would be $1194. To compare it to the $2878 that was quoted for E*, you have to add $207 for 3 standard receivers. The total of $1401 is less then half the upfront cost of E*.
Although I checked the E* website and it states $200 for each additional HD DVR. So that $2878 quote seems awfully high. With there promo, 7 HD DVR's would be $1301. And you should be able to run the 3 SD TV's off of the HD DVR's. So D* is actually $100 more, unless there are other installation costs.
It's obviously not true. Bars and commercial accounts pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for Sunday Ticket and then all the subs paying.
Besides the fact that DirecTV is actually cheaper then Dish in many cases for the same programming. And we won't talk about how much more expensive Dish is when you start adding more then 1 receiver.
Yea, it's just Dish being desperate and directly lying to the public.
Then again who isn't doing that today?
Dish charges full price for any receiver past their artificial limit of 4 leased outputs.
So, the first duo-HDDVR is free, the second is $200. A third, to cover his third SDTV would be $549, then 4 solo-TV HDDVRs for $399 each, then $400 for a pair of multiswitches. I get $2745.
Monthly, just assuming America's Everything and all the duos have broadband connections, you're looking at about $155 a month, $165 with Platinum HD added on.
Wait, Dish only allows 6 receivers on an account anyway. Oh well.
Multiple receivers is the reason Dish would cost more for me! Although if I ever left D* I would switch to dish because it is still alot better than cable.
As with most advertising, the intent of the ad is not to snare the 5-10% of the "highly educated" consumers that peruse boards such as this one or do a lot of research. It is aimed at the other 90-95% of the consumers who have no idea, don't care or will simply take it at face value. What amazes me about this whole thing is Dish's insistence on going after DirecTV. IMHO, they should be doing what they do best. Try to go after low-cost subs and attacking cable. Cable's insistence on pressuring people to sign up for triple-play's and all allows Dish to sweep in and offer a low-cost alternative to people who just want to watch some TV. They cannot compete with DirecTV on major content (don't want to hear about more movie channels or FLN...the majority of consumers don't watch 20 movie channels and the way most of these networks are they all show the same thing over and over and just shift it around the networks. This is why in my opinion D* has never really been all that excited about adding another HBO/Showtime?Starz multiplex channel). DISH does not have an apple to apples comparison to D* and to try and rile up D* subs saying they are paying for something that some may not want is asinine. Everybody pays for something they don't want on TV no matter who the provider is. I would say within the next year or so EVERYBODY will become rather equal in the number of HD channels that are offered. Each one is going to have one that the other doesn't. But ask the AVERAGE consumer and they don't know and probably don't care. All they want is to watch what they want to watch. If provider A has what they want to watch but they don't want to pay for it and provider B doesn't have it but has the price they want to pay then that's a decision they have to make.
It really is getting to be sad how much of this has turned in to a "my dad can beat up your dad" scenario. Especially here on many of the boards dedicated to DBS services. Every provider DBS, cable and telcos all have advantages and disadvantages. What gets me is how much DISH keeps going after their DBS breatheren when with sky rocketing cable costs they could be racking up a pretty nice slice of pie by going back and doing what I thought they did best. Maybe it's simply I don't care for anybody bad mouthing a competitor to get sales (and yes, D* is just as guilty about this at times) rather than simply making the consumer well informed about their own product and just presenting the facts.
hmmmmm......didn't realize how tall I was on this soap box. LOL
Ok, thanks! That's the info the website doesn't detail for you.
In the past year I had E* and D* and the price was pretty much the same. Once you get to about $110/month, what difference does $2-3 dollars per month make anyway?
There may be a grain of truth in that D* spreads the cost of NFLST over its subscriber base but, if they do, it apparently doesn’t make a significant difference to their bottom line versus E*.
This is just marketing spin, and I think that's fine.
DIRECTV doesn't give you the option of dropping locals. If they make them available in your area, you must pay for them.
It would be a very large bar indeed that was dropping "tens of thousands". The 2008 rate for up to 200 patrons was $2,698. That's a pretty sizable establishment in my area. To spend "tens of thousands", an establishment would need to support up to 2,000 patrons at a rate of up to $6.93 per patron per year.
You can't reasonably qualify this as a subsidy when Joe and the other five members of his Six Pack are spending $66 per year per person for a residential subscription.
The problem is that Dish's strategy no longer works; there are too many alternatives fighting over the low-end/low-cost-based customer. 3-5 years ago, cable didn't offer bundles and the phone companies didn't offer TV, so Dish was legitimately cheaper. Today, with Verizon and AT&T offering TV, and cable pushing the bundled prices, Dish's regular prices aren't pulling in those low-end customers in the kind of numbers they need to keep up with their monthly churn, and their whole pricing structure makes them unattractive to the high-end customer, not to mention the sports issues.
This is why Dish is going after DirecTV.
I don't remember who said this but:
"We don't one up our competitors, we eliminate them" was the jest.
Which I think all CEOs should do, trying to one up a competitor is (IMHO) stupid. Do what you do best and everything else will take care of itself.
Using the $2,698 per establishment, if they sign up 37,065 business, they passed their break even point on their billion dollar investment. So I wonder how many sports bars, etc actually subscribe?
If, and its a big if, Dish is cheaper (and I don't think its unilateral, I think it depends on exact setups, etc) Maybe its because they don't think they should have to pay licensing fees to companies that created and patented the technology they are currently using?
Wonder how much rates will go up when they have to pay all those back fees, and then monthly fees?
I'd say pretty much all of them.
Seriously though, there are a couple dozen bars in town that all have Sunday Ticket and that's just in my small city. You pretty much don't stay in business around here as any kind of sports bar without Sunday Ticket.
I'm just pulling a number out of my butt, but I'd say at least 10,000 commercial accounts out there, probably more.
Just 2 million regular Joe's at home paying an average of $279 is over half a billion right there. And that's not counting Superfan. Add in all the commercial accounts I think it's safe to say DirecTV get's back their billion each year. If not it's certainly close enough that they aren't "passing on" any cost to everyone that anyone would notice.
And like pointed out, one just has to compare packages with Dish, they are very similar in price.
If you just take the 50 states and divide that by the break even number, they only need about 750 business per state. If your small city has a couple dozen, that doesn't seem unrealistic. Besides which average Joe on this forum is actually paying full price for NFL ST + SF?