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DirecTV May Drop Golf Channel

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by TheRatPatrol, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Dec 20, 2010 #61 of 211
    sigma1914

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    It's never good to see channels drop. I always say, "Just because you don't watch it doesn't mean no one does."
     
  2. Dec 21, 2010 #62 of 211
    Lord Vader

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    I told this to my father today, who is an avid golfer, and his first question to me was--seriously, "What other provider offers the Golf Channel?"

    I think his implication was clear.
     
  3. Dec 21, 2010 #63 of 211
    paulman182

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    I never watched G4 and don't watch The Golf Channel, but it disturbs me to see DirecTV edging closer to the bargain-basement mentality of some other providers.
     
  4. Dec 21, 2010 #64 of 211
    hdtvfan0001

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    I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion. Unless you know the details of what is going on with carriage agreement negotiations...

    From what HAS been make public regarding that process, such as the Dish and TWC negotiations with several content providers, carriage agreement negotiations have migrated to a situation of greed and nastiness with some regularity, regardless of the provider.

    It has also been underway now for over a year with some channels.

    We're at the point that channel content providers feel they should all get top dollar for their material, while delivery services are trying to hold the line as best they can to maintain competitive costs.

    This is not unique to DirecTV or any other provider.

    In the event this approach is not taken, you can already plan to see major price increases from all the service providers to recover those major carriage agreement cost increases. I suspect that would not be popular either.
     
  5. Dec 21, 2010 #65 of 211
    frepp

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    have been looking at Dish very closely lately and dropping Golf Channel would make me switch - there is a pattern setting up by Directv that is not good.
     
  6. Dec 21, 2010 #66 of 211
    Richierich

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    I would hate to have to add Comcast just to get The Golf Channel but I'll do whatever I have to do to have my Golf Fix each and every day as every junkie has to deal with his addiction. :lol:
     
  7. Dec 21, 2010 #67 of 211
    wilbur_the_goose

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    This just in - Charlie really did buy D* a few years ago. His cheap money grabbing ways are now taking effect.

    D* used to be the true leader. If this comes to pass, they're no better than any other rat trap cable thief.
     
  8. Dec 21, 2010 #68 of 211
    gopherscot

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    LOL ... csgo probably has a 30 handicap. :lol::lol:
     
  9. Dec 21, 2010 #69 of 211
    paulman182

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    I don't need to know the details of the negotiations. I am commenting on the results.

    DirecTV once had the image, in my mind anyway, of keeping the channels its customers want regardless of cost. That is no longer true.

    I am not opposed to paying for the channels I get. If they cost too much, I'll drop them. But I do want the available to me (and as I said in my other post, The Golf Channel and G4 are not two of the channels I've ever watched.)
     
  10. Dec 21, 2010 #70 of 211
    hdtvfan0001

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    Many of the final results are not yet determined (including the impact to pricing)...

    As stated earlier...no one wishes that anyone lose any channels. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen.
     
  11. Dec 21, 2010 #71 of 211
    Terry K

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    The bigger issue here is that there are WAY too many cable channels out there. Providers create services that have so little demand and then force that crap down people's throats to get a channel people really want. Do we need the Food network and the Cooking Channel? Probably not.

    What I'd do if I were D*: Start taking the lesser watched channels like Golf, G4, Ion, etc...and migrate them to MPEG-4. This way you start converting customers NOW and spread the expense of conversion out over the next few years. Plus they'd find out quickly how much the market will bear in terms of these channels.

    In the case of Golf, offer it as HD only (and FORCE those who want it to get HD gear..)

    The only way sub-standard Def will ever go away is if the providers start to force it. Directv wants MPEG-2 to go away. (Simply put MPEG4 is so much more efficient)
     
  12. Dec 21, 2010 #72 of 211
    Lord Vader

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    Then perhaps you are not aware that DISH is also looking to lose several channels at the end of the month, too, for the same reasons. They dropped the suite of Disney family channels in July for the same reason, and those channels are still dark.
     
  13. Dec 21, 2010 #73 of 211
    Lord Vader

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    Oh? Do you have evidence to support your claim? When are the content providers going to be held accountable? After all, THEY are the ones who charge a certain fee to carry their channels. Comcast, the owner and provider of the Golf Channel (and Versus, et. al.), is notorious for jacking up their rates much more than is common practice.

    We don't know the actual financial details here. What if Comcast is trying to increase the fee by, say 100%? 200%? 50%? Is DirecTV supposed to just ignore that and pay the new rates, consequently resulting in a loss of revenue to them? Or should they increase their fees to their customers to offset this increase? Or, lastly, should they drop the channel altogether?
     
  14. Dec 21, 2010 #74 of 211
    merlin50

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    and would be disappointed if we lose it. However if I want to change providers I would have to go back to Comcast. Nothing, even the loss of NBC, will ever make me go back to Comcast so I will just have to see how this plays out.
     
  15. Dec 21, 2010 #75 of 211
    wilbur_the_goose

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    merlin,
    Fortunately, I have 4 choices - D*, E*, Comcast, and Verizon FIOS.
     
  16. Dec 21, 2010 #76 of 211
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    I'd bail in a second if they dropped this. The Golf Channel shows the first two rounds of some of the biggest tournaments of the year in their entirety. It's huge to golf fans. D* must be out of their minds to play games with their customers like this.

    They fail to bring AMC, BBCA, CW, PBS and many other critical channels in HD, and now this. Kiss my bass D*, got my finger on the CANCEL button.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2010 #77 of 211
    Lord Vader

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    Again, why is it that DirecTV is the one playing games here? Did it ever occur to you that Comcrap, the scourge of the content provider world, may be at fault? If they suddenly want to increase the fees they're charging DirecTV by 300%, what should DirecTV do?

    Content providers increasing their fees annually is understandable, and I doubt DirecTV or DISH would complain if it was around the annual inflationary or cost of living adjustment rate, but when the increases are outrageous, the line must be drawn.
     
  18. Dec 21, 2010 #78 of 211
    hdtvfan0001

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    Alot of all this is indeed going to come to a head soon.

    The content providers are going greed gaga these days. The regulators are looking at ComCrap carefully in the context of their Universal NBC acquisition petition.

    Make no mistake...the content providers are driving the potential issues going forward based on their price demands.

    No one knows how this all will turn out 6-12 months from now, but I certainly don't have any reason to believe that all service providers will be affected, and most consumers not benefiting in any way, only harmed somehow (either loss of channels or price increases or both).
     
  19. Dec 21, 2010 #79 of 211
    Lord Vader

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    Is it any surprise that it's Comcast involved here? Remember the Versus fiasco a year ago? And how about their battle with DISH in San Francisco? The weird thing there is that DISH requested an arbitrator, got one, lost the arbitration ruling, yet still pulled Comcast San Francisco from the air because they didn't agree with their own arbitrator's ruling.
     
  20. Dec 21, 2010 #80 of 211
    Lee L

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    Playing devils advocate, why must a line be drawn? Why not choose to be the provider that has all the channels and compete that way. Sure, our service is 5 or 10 bucks more than the other guy, but you can watch what you want? Let the market decide if thats the case. DirecTV certainly thinks there is some elasticity in the market or they would not have charged for MRV and would have made it free.

    XM and Sirius used to have a huge array of varied channels with deep playlists. They gradually made them more hits oriented to attract more customers, and many of the channels became like the ones they used to rail against to compete against FM. THey did not make as much money as they thought as some people dropped alltogether or pared back their number of radios. Eventually they had to merge and are a shadow of their former selves, barely hanging on and cutting even more channels as part of the merge, then they wonder why they can't get more subs.

    My local newspaper used to be twice the size as it is now and had lots of various features on various days. As the ecomomy got wrose, they raised the price and kept cutting features. Then they made even less money and they cut peope and features again. Then they lost even more subs. Hmm wonder why?


    Right now, it seems like DirecTV could be on the tipping point. Hopefully this is more Comcast fault and I am worried for nothing.
     

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