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DIRECTV Re: OTA: "We Will Have a Dual Tuner Solution"

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Oct 28, 2007.

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  1. Oct 29, 2007 #161 of 1344
    Earl Bonovich

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    Well obviously... if that is the route they go... the driver's and support would have to be in the software for the system.... nothing that you would install.

    And almost a guarantee that you would have to get the device from DirecTV... as they are not going to even attempt to support more then one device (aka... see all the arguments on why no USB NIC support)

    What HD Homerun are you referring to?
     
  2. Oct 29, 2007 #162 of 1344
    gully_foyle

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    Not true. I live in LA, and get 5 networks from D*. While they need to add 2 more stations at minimum (PBS & Channel 9), even if D* had every channel with every subchannel SD & HD down to Spanish language shopping channels, I'd still want OTA, and want my DVR able to record them.

    Two reasons: 1. DirecTV has a sorry history of over-compression, both with HD and SD. 2. Rain fade.

    Now, Earl keeps asking "what use is an HR10-250?" Well, this is one, clearly. Not only can they be had for nearly nothing on ebay, but, unlike an HR20, they can be repaired and disks can be replaced, independently of DirecTV.
     
  3. Oct 29, 2007 #163 of 1344
    bhelton71

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    The SiliconDust one - like I said I don't know if it streams or you have to install some sort of control driver - which would probably make it useless in this case.

    http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm
     
  4. Oct 29, 2007 #164 of 1344
    Earl Bonovich

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    How can OTA compensate for "DIGITAL FADE"... my OTA 2-1 is lost the moment I plug my son's computer in (not turned on... but just plugged in).

    OTA is not "infailable" in all installations... it can be affected as well.

    And RAIN FADE... and I really don't want to get into that too much again... is heavily dependent on your installation on your dish... and as pointed out by a meteorologist here on the board... where you live and the density of the clouds.......

    Where do I keep asking anything about the "use" of an HR10-250?
    I know exactly what the HR10-250 can be used for.

    As for compression... you do realize that the OTA is compressed too? and in some markets, the OTA signal is heavily compressed....
     
  5. Oct 29, 2007 #165 of 1344
    Coffey77

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    I think DIRECTV realized that LiL's are VERY important. It's possibly one of the reasons half of their customers have switched from cable or other provider. I know it was one of the factors that held me off for some time.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2007 #166 of 1344
    gully_foyle

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    So, what you are arguing then, is that local broadcasting is dead or dying. Except that it is being propped up by D* giving them a new transmitter in the sky.

    I don't actually disagree -- I would love to see the day when the local Balkanization of broadcast rights (and DMAs in generally) went the way of the dodo. Oh, you'd still have some local and regional sources -- news and whatnot -- but they don't need to be broadcast as such. But getting rid of blackout rules and local syndication would be excellent.

    So, I don't actually disagree. I just wonder how you stop this march of progress from removing those sat dishes, too, once we all have 100Mbit internet, like they do in Japan.

    Like I said elsewhere, this is the main reason I'm keeping my HR10. As you point out so well, I cannot expect D* to care what I want, only their bottom line, so I'll have to take action on my own.
     
  7. Oct 29, 2007 #167 of 1344
    gully_foyle

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    You have in places suggested that people strip their HR10's for parts or dump them on ebay before they become worthless. From the tone of your posts, you seemed to think they were worthless already. Perhaps it was just a bad day or a poor choice of words.

    As for compression -- of course I understand that. I understand this stuff better than most. See my post here for example. And note the end of my sig.
     
  8. Oct 29, 2007 #168 of 1344
    Jaysv

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    I agree, the 2 factors in my switch from cable to Directv...LiL for my DMA, and at the time the Directvio was a better Tivo than the standalone I was using.
     
  9. Oct 29, 2007 #169 of 1344
    Earl Bonovich

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    IMHO... yes... in major DMA's, local "broadcasting" is dying (key word there).
    The aspect of going via OVER THE AIR... in the major DMA's is dyring... and will continue to decrease... espeicaly in Feb 2009, as since people are going to have to get a box for each and everyone of their older TV's.... people are going then go to cable or dbs solutions... especially if the costs of the ATSC boxes don't come down in price to sub $25 ranges (IMHO).

    If we could get 100MBit lines to the home... then the "transmission" changes again.... and again... and again... as technology changes...

    I wish all the organization and companies and politics involved... would allow the technology to go at full tilt, instead of constantly trying to hamper it... with 10+ year rollout plans... x,y,z limitation.

    I personally feel the AFFILIATE model of broadcasting has run it's course.... and maybe in my Son's lifetime, we will see that go away....

    The #1 reason for the affiliate model, was because of the lack of technology and you needed regional broadcast points... the #2 was the need for local news.

    Today's technology... is almost there...
    Once #1 can be completely resolved.... then #2, can adjust to that new resolution.

    I find it extremely bothersome, that the primetime local content is duplicated in the SAT datastreams 100+ times (then again 3 hours later).... that is just nuts.

    So as I said... hopefully in my lifetime, and certainly my son's... they can get past this arcaic affiliate model... and embrase the technology in a way that at the end of the day... it benefits everyone...
     
  10. Oct 29, 2007 #170 of 1344
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    Sunny...
    They DO NOT have HD LIL for everyone. Only a small part of the DMAs are provided. For me, ATSC is a must since I am in the 140s in DMAs.

    Now, once my locals are available on D*, then it will no longer be a "must" to have it and I would not mind if they dropped support.

    BUT until they have mine (and all other DMAs) up in HD, then they need to provide ATSC support. I had to refuse 2 HR21s for this reason and am having 2 HR20s shipped in their place so I can get my locals.
     
  11. Oct 29, 2007 #171 of 1344
    Earl Bonovich

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    Well yes honestly... they are not "worthless"... but they are not worth anywhere near a fraction of what they used to.

    And I haven't made that suggestion in a very long time... except for my post, about having to sell my HR10-250 for $50

    And the person I sold it to... wasn't able to correct what ever issues it was having... so I did state to him, that the parts of the unit, are probably worth more then the entire unit.
     
  12. Oct 29, 2007 #172 of 1344
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    SOme folks seem to think that all D* has to do is jam OTA signals into the HR21, perhaps with some frequency change. Won't work. The modulation (RF signal formatting) is not even slightly the same between terrestrial broadcasting and satellite broadcasting. The HR21 cannot make sense of an 8VSB terrestrial signal.

    Now, you could demodulate the 8VSB externally and then remodulate to DVB, but that's gotta be expensive and seems likely to have quality issues. The external tuner dongle seems the best idea so far, as it requires only a modest amount of system software. The vendor of the modules will be overjoyed to provide the drivers.
     
  13. Oct 29, 2007 #173 of 1344
    Earl Bonovich

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    1/3rd of the DMA's is not a "small part"... it isn't the majority, but it is far from small given that those 1/3 of the DMA's covers more then 70% of the viewing population.

    As noted earlier: They don't have SD LIL in all DMA's... and haven't provided an NTSC tuner for them...
     
  14. Oct 29, 2007 #174 of 1344
    gully_foyle

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    Oh, heck, I don't doubt it. Once DirecTV realized it wasn't going to be allowed to provide only regional stations they had to do it.

    It's just ironic that not only did the tail start wagging the dog, it now thinks the dog is optional.
     
  15. Oct 29, 2007 #175 of 1344
    goober22

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    Sunny...
    I agree with this completely. D8 does not have any of my locals currently and E* only offers them in SD. If everyone had their locals up and running, then I can see it being an option feature, but not right now!
     
  16. Oct 29, 2007 #176 of 1344
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    Who exactly owns most of the stock in public companies? Not "Rich Shareholders who already have too much money". Far and away it everyday Jane on John Does in the form of things like pension funds, 401(K)s, 403(b)s.

    This notion that profit is bad is silly.
     
  17. Oct 29, 2007 #177 of 1344
    goober22

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    Sunny...
    My guess is that all tvs have NTSC tuners already. Not all HD sets have ATSC tuners however.
     
  18. Oct 29, 2007 #178 of 1344
    Stuart Sweet

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    Those are true statements, at least in my field of vision. I'm lucky to have the only OTA antenna in walking distance which is still perpendicular to the ground, still has all of its tines, etc. I'm also lucky it works although I don't genuinely understand how (I'm almost 60 miles from the towers and the VHF-only antenna is pointed 90° to the other ones in the neighborhood).

    Mostly what I see in the better parts of town are satellite dishes or nothing. In the poorer parts it's usually large mangled pieces of metal hanging at precarious angles that might have been antennas, once.
     
  19. Oct 29, 2007 #179 of 1344
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    Given the current postings about "OTA is dead", I do find it interesting that the Government is going to send out millions of dollars of vouchers for boxes that will allow OTA users (who don't exist anymore) to buy OTA ATSC receivers.

    Is the Government that out of touch with reality? Never mind , the answer to that question is obvious.

    I really would like to know what percent of Directv subscribers use an OTA antenna. If it is truly as as small as 10% then dropping OTA is a good business decision (if you don't mind ticking off 10% of your customers and a huge PR black eye). Does anyone have a source for a study of OTA usage?
     
  20. Oct 29, 2007 #180 of 1344
    say-what

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    Here's the thing I get a kick out of - people are acting like they're entitled to receive HD-OTA via their DirecTV receivers, when in fact, DirecTV is under no obligation to provide that capability. Cable certainly doesn't integrate ATSC tuners into their boxes (dvr's included) so that you can receive and record those stations they don't have a carriage agreement with on cable's equipment. Cable simply tells you to get an antenna and connect it to your TV.

    That said, the ability to receive HD-OTA via DirecTV's equipment is a nice option that they've provided in the past and one that I hope they continue to offer in the future.
     
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