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DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-14 @99W

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. Sep 14, 2011 #241 of 3078
    HarleyD

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    I still have two RCA DRD420's and a Hughes HIRDE11 (Silver Series) in use in the utility room, one guest bedroom and my office.
     
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    LameLefty

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    You left out one very important factor, Tom: Power. Solar cell efficiency drops over time, as does battery efficiency. Add in cumulative damage to spacecraft electronics from long-term exposure to solar and cosmic radiation and just simply entropy and once you get past the rated design life you're playing dice with increasingly bad odds, year by year.

    Which is fundamentally what I'm getting at. We'll likely be seeing more about the satellite constellation in the coming year or two.
     
  3. Sep 14, 2011 #243 of 3078
    Tom Robertson

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    I kinda was thinking of power, but very glad you clarified the specific issues therein. Thanks,

    Tom
     
  4. Sep 14, 2011 #244 of 3078
    P Smith

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    Add to that forecast-ed soon Solar super-flame what should just kill all sats around Globe ...
     
  5. Sep 14, 2011 #245 of 3078
    Davenlr

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    Na, just those on the light side. Those on the dark side will be ok. Should make Vader happy :)
     
  6. Sep 14, 2011 #246 of 3078
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    While true, it ignores one point... what the lay public will accept. As DirecTV shuts down SD service, they can tell customers that the satellite providing that service ended its 15 year service life and is no longer available to broadcast the signals required. Best of all, its the truth, although maybe not the whole truth.

    This is why I think that they will continue to broadcast SD using the current satellites. I'm not convinced they will not replace the satellites with like SD. Thats were the costs/economic models will come into play. My gut says the replacements won't be used for SD. If they are, that is essentially a commitment to broadcasting SD for 15 more years. I doubt the economic models will support that.

    As for bars... they are operating SD CRTs 12+ hours per day, 364 +days per year. My experience with CRTs is they have a max life of about 15 years @ 4 hours per day (that the longest I've had one last). Replacing a CRT with a panel should lower power consumption (electric bills). Also, for a sports bar NOT to have HD seems like it would have a negative impact on business. Long story short, my bet is that the SD attrition rate in bars is probably similar to or faster than that in homes.

    Hotels may be a different issue... they have a built-in cable system. But HD signals can still be downconverted to work with the SD distribution system. I typically stay in Kimpton or Hilton hotels, and they are mostly SD on HD panels in the rooms.
     
  7. Sep 14, 2011 #247 of 3078
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    I doubt it, at least not directly. D14 is pretty clearly going to 99 which doesn't have any ku service at all. It has Ka high that could be better utilized like d12 and the RBSS. While the sat may not care what signal it is broadcasting (aka mpeg 2 vs mpeg 4) it sure does care about the frequency of those signals and you would need distinct separate components to be able to handle ka vs ku. Now RBSS might be close enough to Ku that the same components could be used for both but I don't think so. If you look at the filings they have everything spelled out very clearly on what frequencies everything is designed to handle.
     
  8. Sep 15, 2011 #248 of 3078
    evan_s

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    I don't think DirecTV is even thinking about it that way at all. First, they have 3 different sats up there at 101 providing the core Ku coverage. D4s, D8 and D9. All with different launch dates and therefore expected lifetimes. Not to mention the sats at 110 and 119. There is no way they would be replacing them all at the same time so there would never be a simple time to tell customers that that sat is gone so they can't provide sd service anymore.

    Second, I don't think that is really a very good excuse anyway. I don't think the average customer cares about what sats directv has where and if they did try to use that as an excuse the customers would just end up saying, Well you knew it was going to need to be replaced so why didn't you take care of that.

    What it really comes down to is a simple mater of costs. How many SD/mpeg2 receivers do they still have in service and across how many accounts. From there they can start figuring out how much it would cost them to replace all those receivers and do any necessary dish upgrades to go with them. From there they can easily start working out if it is worth trying to do the conversion and from what I hear on the boards here they don't really seem to be in all that much of a hurry which doesn't surprise me really. They've got quite a bit of bandwidth available for hd with more expansions planned so they aren't being forced to do it due to lack of bandwidth.
     
  9. Sep 15, 2011 #249 of 3078
    Tom Robertson

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    Besides, Dish and cable would expose the lie. The current satellites can handle MPEG4. They don't care what is in the bitstream.

    SD will be an evolution not a revolution.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  10. Sep 15, 2011 #250 of 3078
    YakeVlad

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    Agreed. The way I see it, SD service will be phased out over time in a similar but inverse manner to the way HD was expanded. Once the number of SD sets reaches a point where maintaining the SD feed is no longer financially justified, or the viewership of a channel reaches a similar point, I think you'll see the SD feeds begin to go the way of the dodo.
     
  11. Sep 15, 2011 #251 of 3078
    David Ortiz

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    It may be that some of the Ku spot beams will not be replaced and those SD locals will be phased out over time, possibly as soon as the new 97? (Ka), 99 (Ka + Reverse Band), 101 (Ku + Ka), 103 (Ka + Reverse Band) dish is ready.
     
  12. Sep 15, 2011 #252 of 3078
    Tom Robertson

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    One thing about bandwidth, is one rarely turns it back in. So I really don't think we'll see any Ku spotbeams turned off, they will likely transition to MPEG4, along with everything else--a long time from now. :)

    That said, the new "everything" dish, if there is one, could be out before then. DIRECTV has 3 more years to launch reverse band satellites and it will likely be 5 before we see any movement on 97°--if DIRECTV wins the bid.

    Cheers,
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  13. Sep 15, 2011 #253 of 3078
    HarleyD

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    I'm surprised that the announced launch date in 2014 hasn't gotten a little more play in this discussion since that is nearly a year later than previously anticipated.

    Even if it goes up early in 2014 with parking and IOT if history is any indicator it will be mid to late Q2 of 2014 before it starts to light up.

    I personally find that disappointing. Not enough to rail about it or lose any sleep, just a bit disappointing after mentally counting down toward summer of 2013 since the initial announcement.
     
  14. Sep 15, 2011 #254 of 3078
    P Smith

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    Actually it happened last year or two - it's 119W tp24 and a few tpns at 95W for DTV GLA.
     
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    Part of me wouldn't be too surprised to see them give back the three tps at 110. I don't think they've put anything new up there after taking down the HD channels that were there and they canceled the planned replacement sat. It also isn't a huge amount of bandwidth compared to what they have else where. Really, the best reason to keep using with what ever old sat they can keep limping along to provide those three tp's is simply to keep dish from getting them.
     
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    bobnielsen

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    I've wondered if it would make sense to trade these 3 to Dish for some additional tps on 119. It might make the switching details easier when RBS (or ??) is added.
     
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    Intelsat has a nice explanation on decay rate of solar panels. It's typical to see
    10-15 percent extra solar capacity on launch to cover the decay over 15 years but those solar storms can really upset the curve.

    http://www.intelsat.com/resources/tech-talk/solar-weather.asp
     
  18. Nov 1, 2011 #258 of 3078
    LameLefty

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    On the 3rd QTR conference call White said that DIRECTV 10 has had a failure of the primary propulsion system and is functioning on a backup system. Due to this they've accelerated the plan for DIRECTV 14 and a recently approved DIRECTV 15.
     
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    Any indication of how much sooner? I wonder if that's why we don't have more basics?
     

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