DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-14 @99W

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure networks charge differently for HD, or if they do that the charge is significant. They'd probably prefer their channels are distributed in HD so there is greater viewer interest, so charging more for HD would be counterproductive. I see no reason why Directv will have to increase package pricing.

    If it costs a bit them more to deliver, maybe that's part of the reason there was a larger than usual yearly increase last month, planning ahead for the additional HD channels they will add over the subsequent 12 months.
     
  2. lwilli201

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    All of those I am sure were already budgeted for placement on D-10 and cost covered by the recent package increases. IMHO the cost of putting nation wide programming on D-14 is not covered in the current price structure. 4K will have its own price structure TBD.
     
  3. Deels1

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    In your world, how do the $20,000 Big Mac's taste?

    As mentioned, in the real world "current expenses" and "opportunity cost" are different terms and the later isn't mentioned by you, nor should it be implied. Opportunity cost as a loss to DTV won't be a factor to consider until day one of quarter three and it's still going to be insignificant when compared to your cost scaling.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    I don't believe costs have anything to do with if they will launch channels on d14 at this point, I believe that was all decided ages ago and there's no price increase coming soon to account for it, they have already done what they needed to in that area.

    4k will be interesting to see if they add a 4k fee or simply are able to add new unique 4k channels as their own package and make the few that have a Hi Definition version "free". Also get more money for the hardware upfront instead maybe. Don't know but it will be interesting.
     
  5. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    There's still a school of thought that believes that carrying the HD version doesn't require any more carriage money than just the SD version. The carriers know that the better they look, the better their chances of winning out in the battle for viewership.
     
  6. Diana C

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    But the content providers, at a minimum, require that the HD version be licensed separately (there is often a security key involved). That means that HD carriage becomes a bargaining chip during contract renegotiations. So while they may not charge separately they do get the chance to raise the rate across the board.
     
  7. studechip

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    And there is still a school of thought that believes that they know what is in the contracts that Directv has with their programming suppliers.
     
  8. Sixto

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    Yep, we learned that with D10, D11, and D12. It's not always an automatic, the content providers can use it as leverage.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    I have a feeling at this point all contracts DIRECTV has been signing state they can use the Hi Definition feed. If they do or not being left to dtv. I more wonder if they have some that give them just the Hi Definition feed and they down convert it themselves for the sd version even if they only have an sd version.
     
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  11. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    I'm pretty sure that DIRECTV is doing their own down-convert on MAV TV.
     
  12. slice1900

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    We know that is the case for some channels that provide only an HD feed, I'm sure Kyl416 could provide us a list of them :)

    I agree that Directv has probably put this in contracts in advance already. They've known the rough timeline of when D14/D15 would be launched several years ago and that bringing Ka hi from 99 into action would give them enough bandwidth to carry every national channel they offer in HD if it is available in HD. I would be surprised if they let it wait until the last minute for such negotiations, unless there was some financial reason why waiting would be smart in an isolated case or two.
     
  13. KyL416

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    Off the top of my head, ESPN, Fox's entertainment and sports channels, the Comcast SportsNets, TWC Sportsnet, NESN, Altitude, Root Sports, Universal Sports, Disney Junior, NASA TV, Univision (including El Rey and Fusion), all switched to HD only distribution. They distribute special transcoding receivers to the various cable and satellite providers that output both SD and HD feeds for their headends, however you still need a carriage deal to offer the HD feed.
     
  14. studechip

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    Do you have some insider knowledge as to how the contracts read?
     
  15. cypherx

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    What ever happened to sat racer or whoever it was that did have this kind of knowledge?
     
  16. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Would you accept public knowledge? In 2008 DISH had a contract to carry the SD versions of several ABC/Disney/ESPN feeds and decided to add the HD feeds of four channels. ABC/Disney/ESPN sued saying DISH did not have permission for the HD and won. The channels were pulled by ABC/Disney/ESPN in 2010 after the win in court. Permission to carry the HD feeds was not granted by ABC/Disney/ESPN until 2014. Carriage of SD did not include permission to carry HD.

    (Try not to brush that off as "six years ago" as the permission was not granted until a contract renewal last year.)
     
  17. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    Disney seems to act in a way that other providers do not in negotiation, i.e. their strange decision to only allow 'new' services as part of an overall contract renegotiation. The result was Dish was the last to add all their HD, Directv was the last to add WatchESPN.

    Hopefully they had the forethought to address 4K in their new contracts, otherwise neither Dish nor Directv will get any 4K channels they offer until about 2020! :sure:
     
  18. studechip

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    It may well be that every contract is written with hd and sd permissions separate, or maybe only some are that way. My point is that no one here, no one that can say publicly anyway, knows for certain what is in these contracts, even though they post as if they do.
     
  19. Diana C

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    Obviously, I have no inside knowledge of what DirecTV's contracts say, but ESPN and Comcast are both clients of mine, and I have a close friend that works in the business side of TWC. It has always been communicated to me that every single feed of every single channel must be spelled out in a carriage agreement. As James points out above, we have seen examples of this play out in the past.

    I seriously doubt that anyone has any UHD language in any of their contracts. The content providers would be crazy to license this content before they know what it is worth to the distributor. UHD content will be just like HD content was 10 or 15 years ago...once there is a clear demand it will be a bargaining chip used to extract higher license fees across the board.
     
  20. Stuart Sweet

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    There are a number of reasons satelliteracer no longer posts here. I know his position at DIRECTV has changed, and to be honest many people here weren't terribly nice to him.
     

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