DirecTV updated 4K sports Schedule

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  1. TV_Guy

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    The biggest hope for 4K is ATSC 3.0. If one local station is in 4K it could prompt their competition to upgrade. I wouldn't discount the appeal of 4K. If Fox thought it was worthless they wouldn't be devoting resources to it on a weekly basis.
     
  2. slice1900

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    I wouldn't hold out much hope for ATSC 3.0. Look at how stations are loading up with subchannels now. They'll use ATSC 3.0 for more subchannels / HD subchannels, not devote it to 4K.

    Especially since they won't be able to fully convert to ATSC 3.0 for many years. They'll be channel sharing the ATSC 3.0 channels, so there won't be room for 4K. At least not unless they compress it enough that they might as well be upscaling.

    Hopefully what ATSC 3.0 will bring is better quality HD. HD used to look WAY better before they started cutting bandwidth to add more and more subchannels.

    None of this will matter with Directv anyway, they don't have the bandwidth to deliver anything more than they do now as far as locals. If you get 4K locals you'll never see them on Directv.
     
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  3. TV_Guy

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    Looks like Sinclair has plans for 90 stations.
    Rohde & Schwarz will supply Sinclair with R&S THU9evo liquid-cooled transmitters, which are easy to upgrade to ATSC 3.0 operation, as well as guidance and a turnkey solution to make sure the broadcaster meets its FCC repack transition deadlines.
    https://www.tvtechnology.com/repack...hwarz-high-power-transmitters-for-90-stations
     
  4. compnurd

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    Software hasn’t been updated in weeks. 1200 has been around since early August and was the original software that killed native on the clients
     
  5. Steady Teddy

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    Not on my C61K is hasn’t. This is a recent update.

    And 0x11fe removed native, not 1200.
     
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  6. compnurd

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    Not on mine lol
     
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    I had the native option on 0x11fe for a long time. Then I woke up one day and no longer had the native option but I still had 0x11fe.
     
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  9. slice1900

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    That's not what I'm talking about. The FCC isn't allowing ANY stations to fully convert to ATSC 3.0, and assumptions are it will be at least five years after the first ATSC 3.0 stations begin appearing before they will even consider that. So everyone has to keep their ATSC 1.0 signals around, Sinclair can't just cut over to ATSC 3.0 and forget about 1.0.

    The way everyone is going to do that is via channel sharing, so say you have two stations in a market that want to go ATSC 3.0, channel 4 carrying 4.1 and 4.2 and channel 7 carrying 7.1 and 7.2. They form an agreement for channel sharing and upgrade channel 7 to ATSC 3.0, and it carries 4.1, 4.2, 7.1 and 7.2 in ATSC 3.0. Channel 4 stays ATSC 1.0 and it also carries 4.1, 4.2, 7.1 and 7.2 in ATSC 1.0.

    Since you have two stations sharing a single RF channel for ATSC 3.0, each only gets half the bandwidth. Even if they wanted to carry 4K and nothing else (no HD or any subchannels) they'd be starving the bandwidth pretty good (less than half of what Directv is using for 4K) using standard encoding. ATSC 3.0 lets you use a variety of encoding options so they could crank up the bandwidth but that reduces the effective range of the channel so you'd have 4K but fewer people could receive it. I suppose if you had only one channel in a market that wanted to go ATSC 3.0 they could do the sharing for 1.0 and get the whole RF channel for 3.0, but what happens when your "partner" wants to go 3.0? Drop your 4K, cut down its bandwidth, or cut down its range?

    Why even bother with any of this, when a local station isn't going to make a single dollar in additional revenue from offering 4K anyway? The reason Sinclair wants to go ATSC 3.0 has nothing to do with 4K...
     
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  10. James Long

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    Also -- don't expect any channel to go ATSC 3.0 (other than testing) before home receivers have ATSC 3.0 tuners.

    3.0 will not be a government supported transition where every station gets two channels for several years and consumers get free tuners to upgrade old sets.
    3.0 will be a post repack transition where stations will need to figure out how to change without losing viewers - and convince viewers to add tuners to continue to receive programming.

    More information: https://www.cnet.com/news/free-4k-tv-with-an-antenna-is-almost-here/
     
  11. codespy

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    ....but we don't pay anything extra for 4K service. The C61K is just a regular client on non-4K channels, correct? At least on my setup, it is.

    That being said, if the Packer game in 4K this Thursday is in upconverted 1080P, and looks like crap compared to the HD feed, then there won't be much to look forward to in most 4K HDR live events.
     
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  12. slice1900

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    I think Sinclair may try push adoption of ATSC 3.0 tuners by making ATSC 3.0 stations available. If they wait for TVs to have them built in it is sort of a chicken and egg situation, because why would TV OEMs (most of whom operate on cutthroat margins, the number of LG OLEDs and other high end TVs sold is a small fraction of the overall market) include something that made the TV more expensive that isn't even useful to their customers?

    Sinclair wants to get that patent licensing stream going, so they need to have all their stations broadcasting ATSC 3.0 as soon as possible and use that as leverage to try to get ATSC 3.0 in consumer hands. They don't need 4K for that, or even a bunch of extra subchannels. Just having better PQ (if for no other reason than because channel sharing will totally destroy ATSC 1.0 PQ, as if all the subchannels haven't already damaged a lot from where it was a decade ago) would be enough incentive for many people watching OTA to want to receive the ATSC 3.0 signal.

    Sure they want them in TVs, but their real hope is to get ATSC 3.0 tuners built into phones. There's a lot of problems with that idea so I wouldn't hold my breath, but they see dollar signs when they see how many phones are sold in the US each year and dream about the patent royalties if each included an ATSC 3.0 tuner.
     
  13. compnurd

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    You are correct. There is no charge for 4K
     
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    As mentioned in earlier posts, I experienced a different problem on 4k channels than most contributors viz., transitory black screens upon initiation and completion of trick plays and restarts after a pause. To my surprise, when watching the Chelsea – Liverpool game over the weekend, the short-duration black screens no longer were present. I then checked the current C61k software and noted 0x1263 had been installed.

    I wanted to confirm matters today and accessed channel 104 but now there was no picture at all (despite my LG OLED specifying an HLG HDR signal was present). Had to RBR both the client and HR54 before an image appeared and, indeed, pressing the reverse/forward/pause and restart buttons on the remote did not precipitate any difficulties. If this state of affairs persists, I pleasantly will be surprised DirecTV engineers were able to rectify a problem in a follow-up software release (in marked contrast to the 4k box repeatedly “unchecking” in Settings/Display/Resolution, which took many months to resolve).
     
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  15. RickD_99

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    My C61K is still on 0x1200...if they don’t fix this frame rate issue by Thursday I will be watching the 4K telecast on the Fox Sports app on the Apple TV 4K...
     
  16. BigRedFan

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    Been away a week and now get back to read this awful news about the NFL Thursday games to be upconverted from 1080p.

    The worst thing here is the effect it's going to have on the record number of new 4K viewers who will be upgrading equipment and packages because it's the NFL in 4K. Not just on DTV but on all the other providers. This will be their first impression of 4K live sports and it's going to be a big dud. The pixels are more important than the HDR so there's not going to be the wow factor they were expecting. Most of them will be wondering what the big deal was all about and will think of 4K as some sort of joke.

    Fox should have stayed with these games in 720p only. By choosing the most popular TV category by a long shot (the NFL) to do this bogus 4K they have done serious damage to the perception and growth of 4K live sports given the record number of new 4K viewers who will be tuning in. Shame on them.

    Could not agree more with slice1900 when he wrote that this paints an ominous future for real 4K live broadcasts. It's a truly sad day.
     
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  17. TV_Guy

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    I'm holding out hope that the FS1 coverage of the ALCS will be in real 4K. Although it seems like they would need to rent a second 4K production truck unless the two cities are close together. They've already done a couple of Yankees - Red Sox games in 4K this season.
     
  18. dtv757

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    I still say fox sports 4k coverage > nbc sports 4k coverage

    Regardless of recent articles

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  19. TV_Guy

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    It seems NBC is in the habit of upscaling 1080p for some of their broadcasts. Do we know if NBC has its own 4K production truck? Seems like the difference is that Fox Sports has been using 4K production facilities.
     
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  20. RickD_99

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    Did anyone who owns an LG 4K set try the “turn deep color setting off and then back on” workaround last Sunday during the Chelsea/Liverpool match? That’s the one previously posted workaround to the frame rate issues that I forgot to try...all the other ones previously posted failed in my hands...
     

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