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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. tvropro

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    Here's a funny note. Viacom wants more money right? But back in the summer of 2010 refused to sell Showtime to C banders anymore. Many people wanted it still but they refused There was a good chunk of change they lost because they made that stupid move. Now it's coming back to bite them since they are looking for money elsewhere. How stupid are these big companies. Hey Viacom if your listening allow us C banders your Showtime channels again, that way you won't have to resort to what your doing here with Direct.

    In the beginning of 2011 HBO pulled the same crap. Watch the next big blowout dispute be with HBO.
     
  2. bobvick1983

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    Viacom has nothing to do with Showtime anymore. They are owned by CBS Corporation, which is the "old" Viacom. Of course controlling interests of both corporations are owned by National Amusements, which is controlled by Sumner Redstone. However, Viacom has not received any revenue from Showtime since it was split from the "old Viacom" now CBS Corporation in 2006.
     
  3. MartyS

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    Actually, they're doing a lot more "reality" tv than they ever did before, especially MTV and VH1
     
  4. maartena

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    It's not ridiculous. You are talking about 20 million subscribers with 20 million different wishes, where C-Band never had anywhere NEAR that much, almost no-one had (or has) a 5-foot dish in their back yard. The only places they were somewhat popular was in rural areas where there was no cable. In cities, an occasional bar had a big dish on the roof, but that was about it. On top of that, there were more than just one provider. Now there is only Skyvision, but there used to be more (NPS comes to mind, ProgrammingCenter I think still does sell programming), each dealing with several tens-of-thousands of customers at most, perhaps a 100k if they were big. The last number I could find anywhere on Google, is that in 2005 there were about 100k C-Band users TOTAL, among whomever sold programming.

    The more subscribers you have, the more complicated it becomes. And DirecTV has 20 MILLION subscribers. It really becomes a different ballgame with that kind of amount. A good analogy: It is a lot easier to manage traffic in a town with 10.000 people, then it is in a town like New York with 8 million.

    There is so much to consider. Besides the user complication, there are contracts to be upheld, and there will be NO a-la-carte without 100% agreement with the television/media companies that provide the stations. And they must sell advertising..... with a contract in place, their stations in a certain package, they can go back to potential advertisers and say: We have a potential of 20 million DirecTV customers (or: xx million that have Choice Extra, xx million that have Choice ultimate), and those numbers are perhaps updated once a quarter, but they go down and up with the number of subscribers. It becomes a lot harder to sell to advertisers if you have to tell them: "Well... between September and March we get about so many viewers, because we have this award winning series, but between April and August we only get so many, because award winning series season is over, and half the people dropped the channel for the summer".

    If it was AMC for instance, I would have dropped it. I only watch Mad Men, and since season 5 is over.... I could save some money by dropping the channel till the new season starts. That is something neither DirecTV or AMC would want.

    a-la-carte as you envision it, will remain a dream.
     
  5. JoeTheDragon

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    really?? HBO is not forced and is all a cart
     
  6. tvropro

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    HBO will just jack up there price then and Direct will pass it to the consumer.
     
  7. cypherx

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    If DirecTV would drop Viacom permanently we would drop DirecTV. We watch MTV, VH1, Comedy, Spike, Palladia. With a baby on the way, eventually Nick Jr / Nick... In a few years after they grow out of Babyfirst and PBS Sprout.

    On the plus side we would get more HD channels on cable like DIY, H2, Style, NASA and a few more. On the negative side we would have to deal with crappy DVRs and the ugly no frills featureless software that runs their system, no MRV, web programming, iPad app, HBOGo, etc.

    It's a sucky situation.
     
  8. Xsabresx

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    This may have been mentioned previously so my apologies if I am repeating, but someone made an interesting comment on one of the articles on Deadline.com. Wasnt anyone important, it was just a regular Joe commenting on an article but it made a lot of sense.

    In short they said that in the beginning this hurt Viacom because they lost the 19+mil customers, but if it goes on too long it is going to hurt Directv a lot more. They mentioned that it looks really bad when a sat/cableco cant even carry the simplest of "cable" channels (MTV, VH1, etc)
     
  9. Davenlr

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    Not true. While it costs a bit up front to keep costs down later, you can get Cablecard devices for your computer with 2, 3 or 4 tuners, as well as several verisons of Tivo with up to 2TB/4Tuners with all the multiroom options, and other options in some form, you mentioned.
     
  10. maartena

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    C-Band is becoming too small of a player. As I noted earlier, a Google search revealed that in 2005 there were about a 100.000 C-Band users left. A report in 2010 from Motorola on the usage of their 4DTV receiver said 18.000 users had them, but there are other brands.

    C-Band is going to be a done deal soon. There is still plenty of FTA to watch using smaller dishes, but the big commercial networks...... I don't think for much longer.

    Companies have been pulling networks off of C-Band for years now...

    Oh and for those that want a-la-carte, this is what a-la-carte looks like on C-Band:

    http://www.programming-center.net/h2h_410.htm

    $5.99 for BBC America. Per Month.
    $5.99 for BRAVO. Per Month.

    And so on for about 20 or so channels..... most of the other stuff is sold in packages.

    Yah well.... if you only have a few ten-thousand customers left, it might work for the hold-outs. But I think C-Band as a commercial satellite service is having its nails hammered in its coffin, and it will only be a matter of time before the last nail is hammered in.... and then C-Band will be just a FTA service.
     
  11. tonyd79

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    I hated TiVo with cable.
     
  12. Alan Gordon

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    I could be wrong, but I suspect that MTV and CMT has probably gotten better ratings with their reality shows than they did with their music.

    They have other programming as well...

    TV Land has reruns not found on those channels, and that doesn't even account for TV Land's five original scripted programs.

    ~Alan
     
  13. maartena

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    Yeah, with TiVo's going for pricetag of $149 a piece minimum ($299 I think if you want the good one, and $399 for the 4 tuner one) plus a monthly subscription of $14.95 PER Tivo. (Plus the cable company charges you anywhere from $5 t $10 per cable card).

    And you would still have to get cable boxes for your other TV's, if you want Tivo's for all it is going to get a very expensive ordeal.

    Additionally, cablecard is a ONE-way service, and you cannot use VOD services or P2P services through them.

    So there are disadvantages. Plus no multi-room DVR setup, the cable boxes you get for other TV's won't be able to access the content on the TiVo.

    From a financial point of view, you are probably better off with the crappy cable boxes from the cable company, as they are issued for free and for a monthly fee that is much lower than TiVo and Cablecard combined.
     
  14. Davenlr

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    Yep, if you want NEW Tivo's, its pretty expensive up front. The monthly charges for the second and additional ones are cheaper though. Comcast only charges me $2.50 for the first cablecard, and $1.50 for the second Tivo. I have lifetime on mine, so dont have to worry about monthly charges to Tivo. Payoff is around 2-2 1/2 years. You still pay DirecTv for each box as well, with no option for lifetime.

    Comcast is rolling out VOD services on the Tivo this year. Dont know how they are doing it.
    There is multiroom viewing, but its a copy not streaming. Plus side there is you can copy any show you want to keep to your computer and store it on the hard drive or burn it to a DVD. No loss of programming if the DVR bites the dust.

    While I dont use them, Ive been told the new Comcast DVRs will do MRV. Cant say for sure.
     
  15. damondlt

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    Agree! I researched Tivo option when I had cable, and it would have never worked out to be cost effective.
     
  16. Xsabresx

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    I might challenge that but I dont think we'll ever know for sure. MTV didnt "report" to The Neilsens until 1994. Even still, TV was different back then. It wasnt uncommon at all for a show to get 30+ million viewers. Hell even Alf was hitting 20+ million. I could see a music video eclipsing Jersey Shore's 7-8mil viewers.

    Again, I am not sure we'd ever know for sure.
     
  17. loudo

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    It wouldn't be impossible, just very costly to DirecTV which they would pass onto the customer. It is easy to assign a group of stations to a receiver, but picking them out assigning them one at a time is a lot more costly.
     
  18. zimm7778

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    Since every channel you just named is either not available or on much higher tiers I wouldn't compare ratings between the two. I also didn't point to ratings in my post. I pointed to the stigma of MTV programming and whether the adults paying the bills really care if it's available as Viacom isn't getting nearly the groundswell of support Fox did earlier this year. All of this "MTV does care about music" is irrelevant to the discussion. Directv has all of 1 of those channels and it's in HD Extra. So, the others don't figure into the equation.
     
  19. zimm7778

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    Again, never said a word about ratings.
     
  20. Draconis

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