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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. yosoyellobo

    yosoyellobo Icon

    Nov 1, 2006
    Jacksonville Fl
  2. tonyd79

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Favorite part is that it opens with the Viacom anti-DirecTV commercial.
  3. Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
  4. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
  5. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010

    Re: taking down internet feeds:

    "What is this, Viacom, China??"
  6. mitchflorida

    mitchflorida Godfather

    May 18, 2009
  7. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    The article seems to be wrong on that point. Here's a link showing Direct's net profit margin :

    And here's Dish's :

    Note in both cases net profit is around 10%. That is pretty good margin for a commodity product, but not a grotesque one.
  8. ciurca

    ciurca Godfather

    Apr 14, 2009
    If any of you who are crying corporate greed owned stock in either company, you would be happy they are protecting your investment return.
  9. Mariah2014

    Mariah2014 Breaking the mold

    Apr 21, 2006
    Phoenix Metro
    Newest update is not making sound like they are still getting closer to an agreement anymore. Which leads me to believe it could be a long while before we see these stations return and that is providing they do return.
  10. fleckrj

    fleckrj Icon

    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    DirecTV will lose some customers if Viacom never comes back, but there is always customer churn. It is not going to be anywhere near 20%, though, that care enough about Viacom to leave. I watch Comedy Central and Nick at night occaisonally, and my grandchildren watch Nick occaisionally, so we are part of the 20% who watch Viacom, but we definitely do not miss it enough to change providers. If I cared about basics, I would have gone with Dish or stayed with TWC (although it is not like they never have carriage disputes).

    In the end, it is a business decision for both companies. I am sure that DirecTV has already figured out how much they can pay and charge for Viacom so that the customers that leave because the price are offset by the customers that stay because Viacom is back (or conversely, how many leave because Viacom is not carried versus how many do not leave because of the price DirecTV will have to charge).

    The good thing is that there are choices. Dish has Viacom (for the moment), but not Rainbow, Disney, or out-of-market sports channels. DirecTV has Rainbow, Disney, and out-of-market sports packages, but not Viacom. No one provider has everything, and all providers have carriage disputes (and it is only going to get worse).

    I still stand by my position that Viacom needs DirecTV more than DirecTV needs Viacom. The dispute will be settled. DirecTV will pay more than they did under the old contract, but they will not pay as much as Viacom is asking at the moment. The longer the negotiations go, the more likely the price DirecTV pays will go down from where Viacom started.
  11. zimm7778

    zimm7778 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 11, 2007
    Agreed. I tried to explain this early in the dispute but of course some people think the so-called wealthy are the only ones making money here. Pretty much they show disregard of anyone's investments in these companies or mutual funds through their retirement program at work who have these companies in it, most of whom are middle class. Do I think this dispute one way or the other is going to sink the company? Of course not. But every little bit helps.
  12. fleckrj

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    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    But are they? The longer the dispute lasts the more likely it is that both sides will have a lower return on investment - Directv because of lost customers, and Viacom because of lower viewership, advertising rates, and fees recieved from DirecTV. At this point, I think DirecTV has the upper hand, but both sides are going to lose something from this - DirecTV will just lose less than Viacom does.
  13. tonyd79

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Viacom has already lost. Maybe more than they recoup on higher fees.

    Directv only loses anything substantial if it drags on and on and on.
  14. Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dawson, Georgia
    Broadcast networks ratings used to be higher, but my understanding is that cable networks' ratings are much higher now than they used to be.

    That's the excuse you're going with, huh?! ;)

  15. cjrleimer

    cjrleimer Godfather

    Nov 16, 2004
    The definition of closer is a loose term. Is it 30 percent?, 40 percent? or 70 percent? Either way until I see specifics, I still think we are in for a dispute that will be similar to VS in the nature that it didnt get urgent till right around Stanley Cup Playoff time in the case of VS, which would be equal to September 1st for MTV.
  16. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    Sure you can.

    One is an opinion about the quality of the programming of the channel, the other is a measured fact with those nifty little Nielsen devices people can install in their homes.

    I too believe the channels are full of crap television not worth a dime. But I do not have any kids or teens, nor do I fall in the 18 to 25 age group, and those three cover just about 90% of the channels that ViaCom offers. The other 10% are Spike, TVLand and Palladia, all which i watch every so often, but not so much they are a "must have".

    That said, ratings are ratings. I may think the television provided by Viacom is mostly brainless crap, but I can't speak for other viewers.

    Nickolodeon went from 1.8 million to 1.2 million in a week, indicating that 600k kids from DirecTV subscribers tuned in to Nickelodeon. Interesting in this measurement would be to see the increase in Disney and PBS kids channels ratings.
  17. dcandmc

    dcandmc Legend

    Sep 24, 2008
    My wife and I watch The Daily Show on Comedy Central, and my daughter watches some shows on Nick, so we are definitely some of the DirecTV customers that are missing programming. However, I hope that DirecTV continues to hold out. The Daily Show is available online, and there are lots of other choices in kids programming. The longer this goes on, the more it will hurt Viacom as opposed to DirecTV. Those Viacom viewers that haven't switched to another provider (and I don't think the number of those switching will be very big to begin with) will realize that they can either do without quite well or they can catch their program/s on an alternate source.

    One question: we have The Daily Show set up to record all new episodes on two of our four HD DVRs. Last night, these recordings took place on channel 8327, where for 30 minutes the DirecTV logo was recorded. Why?
  18. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    Fully with humor intended, the fact you prefer peeping thru your neighbors windows instead of switching your provider to e.g. Dish, tells me something about the "creepiness level" of your character. :D :D
  19. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    The channels aren't "gone", they are just hidden until the dispute has been resolved. To make sure that your recordings resume again without you having to do anything, they hide them in such a way all set recordings remain intact. Obviously, since the dispute is ongoing, you will not see anything but the DirecTV logo.... but if they resolve the dispute, the recordings should resume normally without you having to set them up.

    So just delete the recordings. :)
  20. zimm7778

    zimm7778 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 11, 2007
    And they'll get some back when the next carrier has a dispute with Viacom or whoever else and those go dark.

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