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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. satx04

    satx04 New Member

    Aug 18, 2011
    I agree w/ Sigma. The folks with kids who watch Nick Jr, would probably disagree with the "horrible crap" statement.

    And Comedy central is solely worth it for Jon Stewart.
  2. azelesko

    azelesko Cool Member

    Oct 19, 2006
    Yes I do realize that but I don't agree with how Directv has handled it. In my opinion there is something to be said for the company that takes the higher road and takes responsibility by apologizing to their customers for their failure to meet expectations. They have lowered themselves to Viacom's tactics, so again how does that make them better by throwing rocks back? If I understand correctly Viacom pulled channels that the contract had expired for, correct? So you are telling me that if Directv licensed content to other carriers they would allow them to continue broadcasting it after the contract expired because they "got my back"?

    It is a shared responsibility that they haven't reached an agreement. What is reasonable to Viacom clearly isn't reasonable to Directv, so why is the assumption that what is reasonable to Directv needs to be reasonable to Viacom.

    Blame is in the eye of the beholder. I agree Viacom is acting like a spoiled brat, but Directv is acting like the brat's younger brother and crying while pointing their finger at Viacom.
  3. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
  4. tonyd79

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    500 mil a year is really $25 per subscriber a year for 17 channels. So really about $1.47 per channel per year per sub or a bit over 10 cents per channel per month per sub. . Not really a lot per se. Scale does remarkable things.
  5. zimm7778

    zimm7778 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 11, 2007
    Exactly. It's TV. It keeps going up and up and up. If it gets much more expensive and I don't make more to compensate I'm done. I won't be able to afford it. Part of that is rising cost of programming. And in this case more than others I don't care whether I ever see any of these channels again since all but maybe 2 were parental control blocked anyway. So, if they stay off for a year and Directv either decreases the bill OR sends a notice saying "programming costs warranted a rate increase this year but as we are not paying Viacom anything we can therefore not increase your rate this year" I'm good.
  6. Draconis

    Draconis New Member

    Mar 16, 2007
    Las Vegas, NV
    Agreed, and when they removed all online streaming they proved it to me without a doubt.

    DIRECTV has absolutely no control over Viacom’s websites, it was purely Viacom’s decision to stop online streaming.

    SPACEMAKER Freethinker

    Dec 11, 2007
    Mason, MI
    This board has a bunch of IT and IT help desk people. When it comes to programming I just assume that the what the masses want is pretty much the opposite of what they want.

    Remember,"cool" on a message board like this tends to translate into the opposite in real life. haha
  8. joshjr

    joshjr Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    NE Oklahoma
  9. Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    Few corporations listen to their customers anymore. And if they do listen, they listen to their investors and their shareholders more.
  10. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    Imagine if Dr. Who was canceled? This place would need support groups. :lol:
  11. mdavej

    mdavej Hall Of Fame

    Jan 30, 2007
    I'm sure they're thanking you as well for paying them the same amount of money for 26 less channels than you had yesterday. You're a really nice guy, and generous too.
  12. dpeters11

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    Well, geeks in general. It's a major reason why there's the BBC America issue. Our member base is skewed. BBCA was number one on our wanted HD list. It isn't if you poll the general subscriber base.
  13. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    "Crap" cannot be defined by the amount of individuals that watch it, but rather is defined by the actual quality of the program. McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers, but the stuff they put in it is close to actual.... crap. :D - Still, it sells like hotcakes.

    It's a matter of opinion, some people think they have mostly worthless programming, others think it is the best thing since sliced bread.

    My PERSONAL opinion is that most of the programming on the Viacom channels is dumb television designed for people that do not have a lot of brain capacity. But again, this is a PERSONAL opinion, not a fact. Notable exceptions to me are some of the programming on TVLand and Paladia. The first has some nice classic sitcoms, the latter has some great music programs.

    And yes.... every so often it is fun to watch how dumb people are on Spike, with the world worst tenants, repo games, etc..... But (and again, PERSONAL opinion) I can't believe that people really can't go without that trash for a few weeks until they resolve this dispute.

    And yes, I still believe it will get resolved. But I am not going to cry over the programming I will miss if it isn't.
  14. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    Good point. :lol:
  15. susanandmark

    susanandmark Godfather

    Feb 15, 2007
    Great point. The whole "I don't care, so I'm all for it" comments are, basically, worthless. Not because they're wrong (or right), but because if you're amongst the group who could care less, and losing these channels doesn't bother you one bit, guess what, since you're NOT upset, DirecTV doesn't have to (and won't) worry about you. Hence your happiness isn't an issue for them ... It's those that are UNhappy, that they need to worry about.

    I happen to live in a semi-rural area of a major metro where, by virtue of topography, sat is the only TV option. OTA is impossible. Ditto for Internet beyond basic (relatively slow) DSL, so cord-cutting is out and cable doesn't exist. Everyone that lives in my neighborhood has either DirecTV or DISH. Everyone.

    This morning there's a DISH truck in my neighbor's driveway. She's switching from DirecTV, because of the Viacom issue. She's the type of person who would never, ever in a million years, go to an Internet forum to talk about TV or service providers. She just wants to turn the TV on and have it work. Yesterday morning it didn't. When she called, and waited on hold for 35 minutes, and was told about the dispute (poorly, from what she related) by a customer service rep she fished out the DISH flier we all had in our mailboxes on a regular basis from the junk drawer and called them up. They gave her a great deal on a new install for the very next day, she said yes and she's really happy.

    She doesn't see it as a holy war. Or think years into the future about possible issues with DISH channel disputes. As far as she's concerned she can always change again if she needs to. In fact, most of my neighbors have had both at one time or another, and many actually still have both dishes on their roofs with the idea that they are likely to switch back and forth again in the future. It's not a big deal. It's just TV.

    I think that view is much, MUCH more common than the passion displayed here, on any side.

    For me, personally, THE DAILY SHOW (Comedy Central) is one of the very, VERY few programs that my husband and I watch together on a regular basis. It's a pleasant and fun part of our daily routine and we will absolutely miss it. AWKWARD (MTV) is, bar none, one of the very best shows on television right now. Whip smart, funny, absolute must-see TV in our household. A new season just started and I don't want to miss out.

    Will we live without seeing these or anything else we watch on Viacom-owned networks? Of course we will! But we're not talking about survival. Obviously, we can live very well indeed with no TV at all. Ever.

    What I'm talking about is money. MY money. Just like DirecTV and Viacom are worried about their bottom lines, I'm worried about mine. If I'm gonna pay for TV, in the end, just like my neighbor, I want what I want when I want it. That's not "entitlement," it's common sense. I'm paying for something, and I should receive it.

    One of the things that has kept me with DirecTV for so long is, frankly, laziness. I don't want to switch out my rather complex system and get a new one up and running (always bugs). I don't want to learn a new operating system. It's all just a big ole' hassle and, despite some less than warm and fuzzy feelings about DirecTV as a company, the service has always been just good enough that it's not worth leaving them. If this matter isn't resolved in the next few days that feeling may change. For me, this feels like it could be the thing that would push me over the edge. I know I took a card from the DISH installer working next door today.
  16. Mark Holtz

    Mark Holtz Day Sleeper

    Mar 23, 2002
    Sacramento, CA
    Uh, that occurred in 1990.
  17. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    Oh, don't even joke about that. :p
  18. JMCecil

    JMCecil Godfather

    Jan 20, 2007
    And hopefully she doesn't watch any AMC because that won't "just work".
  19. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    I really don't get where people equate BBCA with "geeks", it's not all SciFi you know, but whatever floats your boat.

    Maybe because shows on BBCA are more cerebral and require more thought and imagination than US shows? *shrug*
  20. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    What type of person watches BBCA & shows like Top Gear? I'm sure only sophisticated people with extremely high IQ scores? :rolleyes:

    It's pathetic how prejudice and stereotyping some people here are based on what they watch.

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