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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. android.cphone

    android.cphone AllStar

    Jan 10, 2012
    Offbtopic a bit.
    Question for nascar fans
    Who thinks it would be neat if nascar hotpas was interactive? Ie you could choose camera angle.
  2. Dude111

    Dude111 An Awesome Dude

    Aug 6, 2010
    I see HUB,TV1 and a few others have come back now......

    TV1 seems ok (I didnt have it before) -- I watched The jeffersons :) (Havent seen that show in along time (The colours werent that good though))

    HUB seems better than TVland but its not a dedicated 24hr network to good/older programming :(
  3. PrinceLH

    PrinceLH New Member

    Feb 18, 2003
    So far, I'm not missing Viacom too much. It's summer.....let them stew and take a haircut. Most people watch less T.V. in the summer anyway. Make it up to us, with 3 months of premium T.V. Add MeTV and AntennaTV and get some of those classic old shows, that Nick At Nite and TV Land used to show.
  4. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    Let's take it down to our pockets.

    Consider that Directv USA had just under 20 Million subs at the end of Q1 2012 according to their Q1 SEC filings and we can begin to do some math.

    According the DirecTV Statements, Viacom wants about a 30% increase which would pay them $1Billion a year.

    That means that DirecTV is currently paying Viacom over 3/4 Billion Dollars per year currently. $770,000,000 with a 30% increase gets you to $1,001,000,000 annually.

    Using 20 Million USA Subs (which is slightly high), that means that DirecTV pays Viacom currently a little more than $38.50 a year - or about $3.25 a month. Obviously DirecTV charges you and me more than that each month to make a profit.

    Using the same math, that means Viacom wants about $50 a year for each customer - or about $4.25 per sub each month (again, this would be marked up for the customer base).

    So thats the reality.

    Is Viacom worth a wholesale price of $38.50 a year from you? Is it worth a wholesale price of $50 a year from you?

    Now on the otherside, Viacom says DirecTV pays them 5% of their program fees and its programs account for 20% of the viewing (I clearly have problems with that number, especially when looks at ratings, but I digress).

    But if the 5% figure is correct - and DirecTV is honest in their statements, then we can figure $775,000,000 * 20 = $15,400,000,000 is what DirecTV pays for Program Rights each year.

    $15,400,000,000 / 20 Million Subs = $770 per sub a year in Program Costs (and yes, I realize different people have different packages etc - this is just an average). That translates to around $64 a month wholesale costs for Programming Rights per USA Sub.

    Obviously, Sports Programming etc throws that number off.....but its an interesting set of numbers to look at and consider in this whole argument.
  5. PrinceLH

    PrinceLH New Member

    Feb 18, 2003
    Shows the outright greed, looking at it, in your perspective. I remember the old C Band days and all of the different programming wholesalers out there. It was much cheaper than Directv, back in the old days. It might be the start of something, if people start using C/Ku technology and start cutting out all of the middlemen. I'm betting that people could get away with a 5 foot dish, with all of the high powered satellites in the sky. Make it cheap and they will come.
  6. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    5ft dish doesn't pass the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) for most families and is too big for the FCC regulation allowing up to 1 meter dishes to bypass local / deed restrictions.

    Regardless, C-Band/Ku-Band HDTV for residential customers went out of business about 2 years ago in the USA.
  7. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    New drinking game. Anytime someone does the math to prove what they want you have to take a drink.
  8. wahooq

    wahooq New Member

    Oct 19, 2011
    Tulsa, OK
  9. wahooq

    wahooq New Member

    Oct 19, 2011
    Tulsa, OK
  10. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    If you read some more of the past posts in the thread, you will find that your numbers you are starting with are likely off...

    It's a $1 billion increase over five years from what they pay now. Which equates to about 30% in total, or about 16% increase compounded annually.

    I think that somewhere someone posted mike white as saying they currently pay around $500 million a year to Viacom.

    And I agree, how on earth can anyone possibly believe that Viacom actually knows how much of DIRECTV programing budget viacom gets each year? What a joke that statement is by Viacom. They have no clue how all of it breaks down in the end, none, zero zilch. If they are going by DIRECTV tax filings and such, they might be able to see total spent on programing, but they spend so much more on programing for things like Sunday ticket and yet I am sure they didn't add in that type of view ship for their supposed 20% of viewership line.

    I only give dtvs numbers a little bit of chance of being close to real because mike white actually said some fairly specific total dollar amounts rather than just saying pennies more a day, or a % increase.
  11. Carolina

    Carolina AllStar

    Jan 19, 2012
    Who cares? I can easily live without those channels because I don't watch them anyway :lol: I would be happy if Directv gave me a cut in my payment because those channels are gone! And I already have D*'s top package so it can't be offered to me.
  12. HuskerHarley

    HuskerHarley AllStar

    Feb 8, 2012
    They gave me $10.00 off my bill for 3 Months (I also have top package)-->:rolleyes:

  13. tvropro

    tvropro AllStar

    Nov 3, 2010
    C band still has it's perks. It's receiving the same feed's that Direct, Dish, Comcast, the networks etc use before retransmission. The picture quality on the first generation feeds are next to none. There is no rain or snow fade. With the right equipment you can get many channels for free, even ones you pay for on Direct. The programming still available has no contracts and you can sign up for one month 3,6 or a year. No hidden fees or extra charges. There has been a resurgence with much interest in c band lately. I talk to people all the time that are fed up with high bills and other issues associated with cable and the small dish. There is a new factory opening up in Michigan that will be making big dishes again. New receivers and more programming options are being looked into.

    What most people want is a good product and choice at a fair price. We need competition to break down this my way or the highway attitude of the cable/small dish cartel. Maybe C band with its resurgence can be the start of this.

    Direct should offer a package that is on c band called pick 10. You can pick and choose 10 channels for your own custom package. Direct could also offer a pick 20 or 30 too for those who required more than 10.
  14. Tubaman-Z

    Tubaman-Z Godfather

    Jul 30, 2007
    A thought comes to mind:

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    Neither D* or Viacom is inherently good or evil, friend or foe. But at the moment D* is seeking to keep their expenses down which SHOULD translate into lower costs passed along to me. Thus for me, for the moment, I ally myself with D* as I value the V* content less than any potential cost increase. When I do receive the annual increase notification my perspective towards D* will change and I will seek any/all ways to work against them - I.e. lower my bill.
  15. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    Pretty amazing that Viacom now has radio commercials on this. Heard the first on sports talk radio as I was going to bed last night. These are some very aggressive dudes that DirecTV is dealing with.
  16. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    It's amazing how many accounting specialists who are familiar with Fortune 500 companies we have here. :lol:
  17. mnassour

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
  18. dengland

    dengland AllStar

    Aug 26, 2006
    Down in Florida it took a 10 foot dish. Had a pole on the back corner of the porch with the bottom of the dish about a foot above the roof edge. All work on the dish was done standing on the roof.
  19. dengland

    dengland AllStar

    Aug 26, 2006
    Still only carrying the SD versus the HD version...
  20. rta53

    rta53 Legend

    Apr 10, 2010
    Wouldn't know about this at all if I didn't frequent forums like dbstalk. Didn't watch Viacom channels when they were on so I haven't missed anything when its off.:sleeping:

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