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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. thelucky1

    thelucky1 Icon

    Feb 23, 2009
    Same here! Every once in awhile we watch something on Comedy Central or Palladia. Even then I don't miss any of these channels at all.
  2. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009

    You cannot get the HD Programming any longer so the talk of quality when concerning SD product is a joke. Residential C Band will never have a resurgence.

    Considering the Cost of C-Band transponder time, DirecTV is never going to offer a C Band Package.
  3. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    He was referring to DirecTv offering the C Band "Pick 10" package as an option on their current system, not starting a whole new company on C Band. Pick 10 channels you want from their current KU/KA lineup for a package price.

    Im not sure their computers and authorization system are set up to allow 20 million individual package authorizations though. It might be capable. Not sure. Good idea, however.
  4. bobvick1983

    bobvick1983 Godfather

    Mar 21, 2007
    NW Alabama
    You can still get some programming in HD that is free (FTA). CBC, RFD, PBS, WeatherNation, NBC, Telemundo, feeds from ABC, CBS, and FOX, NHK. Those are some that I can think of. You are correct that there is no cable type programming that is available in HD.
  5. tvropro

    tvropro AllStar

    Nov 3, 2010
    Yes I was referring to Direct to look into a pick 10 type of package and the like. Direct I think can authorize single channels. I have seen them turn on one at a time with the dispute going on to try to appease the loss of the Viacom ones. I only have the family pack and ones that are in choice have been popping open one by one.

    To the other gentleman, (I'll keep it all in one post) there are HD offerings on C band for free that the picture quality looks as good or better than Blueray. The SD offerings on C band look like DVD. Although C band currently is for the hobbyist that likes to look for things and find free stuff for the most part. I have and still do see cable HD & SD channels open from time to time. The picture quality on those first gens are breathtaking.

    The bottom line is competition is good. While not everyone can have a big dish if it creates another avenue that helps all the companies come to there senses concerning the consumer it is a win win situation.
  6. tvropro

    tvropro AllStar

    Nov 3, 2010
    Yes those plus the NASA HD feed and others. (I would have to look at my channel lists) Plus we have the added benefit to watch the backhaul feeds for sporting events and see syndicated programming ahead of time.

    People think C band is dead since 99% of it is digital now. Actually with digital compression there are more channels on it that ever before. You just need the right receivers (DVB and DC2) to get most that is in the sky.

    With the Viacom dispute going on I still get most of the channels through c band, so I'm missing out on very little.
  7. Jon J

    Jon J Grouch Extrordinaire

    Apr 22, 2002
    Music City, USA
    I received $5 off my Starz sub for 6 months and Sho free for 6 months just for the asking.
  8. cbearnm

    cbearnm Legend

    Sep 6, 2006
    The article brought up something that I had been think about - D* suggesting that people go online to view Viacom programming.

    I think that this is risky for D* as well, if enough people go online and look into Roku type devices, they just may lose some subscribers when people realize their are much more economical ways to get a lot (but not anywhere near all) of programming through other ways. Not all free but much cheaper (Hulu, Netflix, etc..)

    A pressure point that I see Viacom having as this drags out has not been mentioned much in the thread. Let's say that this continues for months, with the millions of viewers not watching on D*, Viacom would have to make adjustments to the rates they charge for advertising. If I were advertising on MTv and know that the D* audience is not there, is that worth nearly as much?

    To a large degree, we (viewers) are the real product of both Viacom and D*. Any commercial programming is there primarily to provide an audience for advertisers. They create programs to attract us to their channel to sell advertising time. They are not 'selling' their programming to us, but rather creating a captive audience for ads. So while there is logic to charging D* for the programming (since they are in turn charging for it as well), the relationship is much more symbiotic than it appears. I think that they are both playing this out in the media, they are getting us to argue over who is good or bad, but in the end, we will be paying more.

    Yes, they are both corporations that are there ONLY to make money, WE are the only entities that are paying for any of it. Through our payments to D* or by purchasing products that we see advertised, we are paying for ALL of it. The corporations are merely redistributing our cash. We need to remind all of them of this fact.
  9. Directvlover

    Directvlover Legend

    Aug 27, 2007

    I called yesterday and very politely asked for the $5/month for 3 months credit that they are offering to offset the viacom dispute. Not only did i receive that but i also received $20 off my bill each month for a year and free showtime for a year. I thanked the agent profusely and she said that the reason she gave me all that, was because i was the first of hundreds she had spoke to yesterday that wasn't rude and yell at her. She said they've been told that they can really give whatever out, it's up to their discretion. So since i wasn't yelling, rude, or negative to her, she thanked me by piling on the savings. Just goes to show you a little kindness to these people who are just doing their jobs goes a long way. Thanks DTV!
  10. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    Greed? DIRECTV® is a public company, and is in business for the shareholders. Don't forget there's a huge infrastructure in place, from CSRs to installers, programmers, negotiators, supplier management, shipping, handling, not to mention legal!

    The 5' self installed dish will be perfect for a few million DIYers, but not the general public. Of those millions, maybe a few hundred thousand will care to do so.
  11. islesfan

    islesfan Hall Of Fame

    Oct 18, 2006
    Well, we're only missing Futurama and it has really gone into the toilet this season anyway, so it's a bit of a blessing.
  12. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Who or what is Dora?
  13. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
  14. MattScahum

    MattScahum Legend

    Oct 26, 2010
    Agreed. Since im in the bundles department I dont have the same options, nor should I BUT it has been very few and far between with getting a pleasant customer. I had one guy that didnt qualify for much in terms of discount since.he hadnt been installed for more than a month or so. He was extremely pleasant and I felt bad I couldnt do more so I helped him set up a custom guide, hide his sd duplicates and showed him how to access and use hbo go. He was thankful and.happy about all he got and he didnt even call in but for an update on the negotiations
  15. acostapimps

    acostapimps Hall Of Famer

    Nov 5, 2011
    I just receive $10 discount for 2 months just for calling even though I don't watch any of their channels, so i'm happy to say the least, but still want this resolved and you guys might say it's cheating the system, but I'm paying for these channels even if I don't watch them.
  16. darkpowrjd

    darkpowrjd Mentor

    Jul 10, 2012
    I think posts like this are kind of complicating things, too, to get this resolved in a way that makes everyone happy, assuming that either of the two parties frequent this board. If they see that we're choosing sides and aren't willing to see the other's POV, they might think that they are doing the right thing by not giving an inch.

    All that does, however, is prolong the situation and frustrates those that DO want the channels back.

    To me, if the deal would include new channels on the lineup, and if the hike isn't too steep, then DTV should not be such a channel nazi and let them have some of what they want. It would mean more of a choice for us, we get the channels back, DTV gets compensation in the way of providing new channels, Viacom gets the money they want/need/whatever, people get their channels back, and everyone leaves happy. As long as the hike is reasonable, then yeah, more channels for me.

    If it's a price hike for the channels we have now (or had now, however you look at it), then DTV needs to tell Viacom "no, not without us getting something for it". Don't give them the hike, but don't be "we don't see the value of any of your channels you want to add, and we don't see the value of what you have offered." Tell them that they need them and DTV offered 20% of their viewers. 20% is a pretty hefty amount in the TV world, and DTV is right now in the drivers seat right now for satellite TV. Also tell them that people ARE watching how Viacom handles this with nuking the online streams (which was a DUMB move; don't know how they could've even considered doing that and then act like it was the right thing to do), and that the more they drag this on, the more they alienate their remaining viewers, and that time is of the essence.

    The more the two sides refuse to budge, the more they risk alienating the customers/viewers. They have to come to a conclusion...NOW! For nothing else, for the people who are reading this thread then wondering where their razor blades are.
  17. ChicagoBlue

    ChicagoBlue Godfather

    Apr 29, 2011
    LOL. I read some of the drivel here when it comes to the business side and just shake my head.

    I'll remind a few folks, last Sunday I posted there was a Viacom DTV dispute coming and sure enough, 24 hours later it arrived. I've been in this business for several decades and I'd say 80% of what I'm reading in this thread when it comes to numbers is flat wrong or mostly wrong, at least everything I'm hearing in the industry which has been spot on so far.

    There are a few that really stand out from BattleScott, TulaneJosh, and some others. Really guys, you are way off base on this.

    You want to truly know what this is about, I'll tell you. From what I'm hearing, the rate increase ask is above 30%, several points above. You have companies like Viacom giving away their content online for free, sometimes the SAME DAY it airs on their linear channel. At the same time, they want all these distributors to pay huge increases that the distributors are forced then to raise prices on their customers to cover the costs. Of course DTV is pissed, as well they should be. It's crazy what the content providers are doing.

    In one breath they are telling all these distributors to give them billions of dollars and in the next breath they are giving it away for free the same day for people online. HELLO.

    That's the core issue.

    The money issue flows right into it, of course. DTV is offering an increase rate or Viacom, but there is a point where it goes beyond good business sense when at the end of the day the distributor is left with the customer relationship. When those price increases come yearly, customers are angry with DTV, not Viacom, not Disney, not Fox, but with DTV.

    DTV is in a tough spot. They don't have broadband which is a 75% margin business, so they take it on the chin when content providers jack them up as they have the last few years. Cable and the phone companies just monetize other aspects of their business and support their video offering by subsidizing those cost increases.

    I predict this goes at least another week, maybe longer. The longer is goes, the more DTV wins because people will get further and further away from Viacom's programming and replace it with something else. Their ratings are already down, they are losing more eyeballs daily as a result. One of the dumbest moves I have seen in many years is Viacom taking down all of their free streaming programming, unless they are doing it as a concession to the pay tv providers because they are finally waking up to the fact they are undermining their own business model by going in that direction.

    At the end of the day, we are one step closer to being charged online as customers should. The days of the pay tv provider propping up free online content without authentication (the Viacom model) are going away, it's a matter of how quickly.
  18. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Turning on a channel at a time for an entire package is completely different than turning on different channels for different people. I am sure it could be done, but I'll bet it'd take a massive it effort.
  19. HobbyTalk

    HobbyTalk Hall Of Fame

    Jul 14, 2007
    Just got $10 off for 3 months. Free Starz and Showtime for 6 months. I do miss Comedy Central but that's it.
  20. Oskeewow

    Oskeewow New Member

    Sep 24, 2007
    Called retention and got 3 months of Showtime free and the red zone channel for free. Didn't really push for more but it probably could have been gotten if I asked.

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