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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by joshjr, Dec 11, 2012.
I would have to have two Hoppers just to do now what I do with one HR34. Thanks but no thanks.
I would need 3. Thanks but no thanks.
Same with a one hopper system, So again we can go back and forth all day.
I know a lot of people, "my 3 refer a friends", who have 600 and lower credit score.
$99 for HR34, and 3 Clients.
$99 for HR34, and 2 Clients.
$49 for HR34 ,and 3 Clients.
Dish hopper system for one of my friends was $198 for Hopper and 3 clients based on his credit.
Needless to say he paid Directv $99 for HR34, 3-C31's, MRV, CCK, and Free NFL ST, $30 rebates for 1 year, and 3 months of all the premiums.
I paid $260 from Directv for HR34,HR23,2 H25s.
But I was also a returning customer, I still got all the rebates and credits. And Dish wanted to charge me $199 for 2 hoppers and 2 joeys.
If I wanted the 3rd hopper, I had to fork over another $400.
In your (less than?) humble opinion. But choice is good, and I prefer Dish.
Why do I prefer Dish? It has more of the HD that I care about:
Epix 1, 2 & 3 HD
Investigation Discovery HD
Obviously, the DIRECTV answer is NFLST. However, as a Steelers fan, I get to see perhaps half their games on TV without it. The other times I make do with NFL RedZone or go to my local Steelers bar, which is fun anyway.
...and I love the zippiness of the Hopper GUI.
I need to be able to record at least 4 programs at a time (ANYTIME, not just primetime) in one room, plus be able to record another 2 programs in a different room. I also need to keep these DVRs separate from each other (At least so they can't see each other's playlists).
There is no need for you to apologize to me or anyone else about what workflow or what DVR is right for you; that's entirely up to you. But I would accept apologies related to just not getting the point; not only did you seem to miss the point about PrimeTime Anytime that I tried to make, you also seemed to miss the other point, which is that the Hopper, and PTA, may not be for everyone, but for some users, PTA is pretty significant.
We'll just put you down in the column for those who would not find PTA all that useful, and hopefully agree that POV certainly does not invalidate other points of view. And, BTW, the Hopper is also capable of satisfying all of the reasons you present against it; it has two other tuners that can record any channel anytime, and 3 tuners total that can do that outside of prime time, and any recording in PTA can be held as long as you want it; you are not necessarily limited to 8 days.
If DTV had this technology, I would jump at it. But I also would want another two conventional DVRs as well.
It would be nice if there was a DVR out there that could just handle recording a ton of material without memory leaks, slow downs, jitters, jutters, glitches, reboots, etc.
Do the job, do it reliably so you can trust it, and do it fast.
I haven't got my Genie installed yet but I'm interested in trying Prime Time Anywhere. DTV claims it isn't chewing disk space that is allotted to your recordings so why not try it. Also, as long you can disable a feature what's the issue. Of course, that's assuming it doesn't impact the overall operation of the receiver.
My neighbor has the Hopper and he has his grips. So I'm guessing that Genie and Hopper both have their good points and flaws. Hopefully, DTV will keep improving the Genie for some time to come.
Honestly, I just cant stand Dish to begin with. Their website still shows that they have UPN and WB affiliates and their reps believe it too. I am a sports nut and just do not care for the lack of sports they have nor do I really care for their DVR's either. Never really jumped on the sling loaded boat either.
Then we are in agreement even more than I imagined.
I think Karl Rove may be their marketing advisor, because they lie through their teeth about everything, including who has more HD choices and more channel choices. All you have to do to prove that is to count them. The Karl Rove theory is that more and bigger lies are easier to put over on people than a few smaller lies are, so just continually lie your ass off and that somehow becomes the accepted narrative, even if completely untrue. Hell, it worked for Arnold for about 20 years. Ask Maria.
I had DISH for 8 years, and they couldn't even keep the clock working on my DVR (ever tried to schedule recordings without an accurate clock?). After about a year of that problem, I bailed and never looked back. My mother had really poor service from them (she went against my advice) and her DVR was a real POS. She finally moved to DTV.
I just think they are bush league by comparison. Some affils in the 12th market where I live were only recently added in HD, where DTV had them in HD for many years now. About the only thing they can really say without their pants spontaneously bursting into flames is that they have PTA and that their DVRs are snappy, even if the interface is user-hostile.
Before 2004 when I left there were regular stories of folks wailing in the forums about waking up to find half or all of their recordings wiped by a software up rev. To be fair, that may have improved. Or not. I'd rather have a slow, reliable DVR any day (but a snappy, reliable DVR would sure be nice). There are horror stories out there regarding reliability of the Hopper, so even though it has PrimeTime Anytime, it might not really be ready for prime time.
I took that from DirecTV's commercials.
Have you read the "horror" stories about the HR34/C31 on this forum? I've had 2 Hoppers and 2 Joeys operating smoothly since the first week they came out, just as smoothly as my previous 622/722 combination - snappy, reliable, and ready for prime time, not to mention the best user interface in the industry, and unparalleled capacity and archiving ability. (The 4 PTAT channels are now available 24/7 with one tuner.)
While I would enjoy those channels in HD one of the main reasons Ive stayed with DirecTV is their carriage dispute record compared to DISH's carriage dispute record. When it comes to dealing with content providers DirecTV knows how to Tango. On the other hand Charlie prefers dancing to his own tune, the Waltz.
Thanks for all of the info. As one who is considering jumping to Dish to save about $260 over the 1st year I found it helpful. Drives home the point that this debate is largely the same as ISP's, car brands, etc. YMMV. Pay $64.00 at installation for hopper plus 2 joeys or $149.00 for a Genie and 1 extra tuner from Directv? Then compare an $86.00/mo DTV bill to a $64.00/mo Dish bill during the 1st year. Interesting decision.
I'm a long time Dish customer who just recently went through the decision to switch to DTV or upgrade my 2 VIP622 setup to a Hopper Joey system. I really liked the story I heard from DTV about the Genie but ultimately decided to stay with Dish and go to a 2 Hopper, 0 Joey setup. In large part my decision was based on the hours and hours of material I have archived on external hard drives and I prefer the way Dish handles the use of them. The conversations here about the Genie buffering all five tuners is news to me, I thought "Double Play" had to be activated by the user to start multiple live buffers which is another reason I stayed with Dish; I'm so used to dual live buffers it would drive me nuts if I had to manually start them each time and then make sure they didn't time out. The final straw was the complaints on here and other forums about the DTV units being slow and unresponsive.
I'm guessing I would have been happy either way but right now I'm pretty pleased with the Hoppers. It takes a while to break the habit of reaching for the skip button when commercials come on during an Auto-Hop recording but that feature is still very nice even if it only works on PTAT recordings.
I would like to see an update on this thread. I noticed that the Hopper now includes the Slingbox feature that used to be a $50 add-on feature, which lets you tune and record any of the channels from anywhere you can access the interntet. Does DirecTV Genie have the same? Is the Hopper still a couple of steps ahead of Genie?
I don't see the Hopper being a couple steps ahead overall. I see the Hopper/Joey combo and Genie/Client combo as being different approaches to the same solution. Which fits depends on what the end user needs.
Currently the remote capability that Dish offers with Dish Anywhere and Sling is much more complete and flexible than where DirecTV is at the moment. At some point I suspect the remote offering to be pretty similar in what you can do though it might be different in how you do it.
Dish's equipment is still the quickest out there by a fair margin and is just as stable as Direct's IMO.
One new thing that has happened with Hopper is that you can record all of the big 4 broadcast stations at anytime day or night while only using one tuner if you are in a market that has all 4 in HD on the same transponder.
Since switching from D* to E* I've found that the 3 tuners in my Hopper give me more flexibility in recording than I had with 2 HR24s stacked in one place. But for either, it isn't all that difficult to schedule because of the 'cable' channel's incessant rerunning of their originals.