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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by joshjr, Dec 11, 2012.
5 tuners vs 3 tuners.
Not nearly enough and certainly not an issue that has bothered me a bit. I haven't missed a show since the switch.
Just like DIRECTV's approach here is that due to the widely varying quality of internet access available in places if even offered at all when one travels, they have eschewed a Sling type solution and selected a TIVO-to-Go like methodology with "nomad" or systemically called "GenieGo" (including the nomad device and related apps) where all program material you wish to view on your trip may be downloaded onto to your personal device (SmartPhone, Notebook, etc.) prior to leaving.
DIRECTV's feeling is that if one still wants a Sling capability, they can always purchase a separate standalone unit.
When I switched to Dish I got the Hopper w/Sling mostly because it was the latest and was said to be faster than the original. Both are true. But I don't have much use for TV on the go.
EDIT: Dish's approach is actually two-fold. One is the streaming from almost anywhere, the other is to 'transfer' a show to some iOS devices. Both work well.
But I'm 'mom sitting' away from home and thought what the hell, let's try out watching something from my home DVR. Cranked up the MacBook, went to Dish Anywhere and picked a show to watch. Worked perfectly! No burps, glitches or anything to bother me. Of course with my up at only 512k the PQ wasn't anything to write home about but that could be cured with more money to my ISP.
In the past, I used to put movies that I had on my original AppleTV and take it with me. It works similar to the Nomad, but only with iTunes. That version of the ATV is now long discontinued, but it did just fine last I used it.
It all depends on use. Mostly recording primetime network shows? One Hopper could very well be fine. Now, if you are recording a lot of other stuff, then it may not do it. Of course one thing they do allow is more than one.
I don't have much use for tv-on-the-go either, but I do like to watch on my PC Monitor in my upstairs office. I am using Directv2PC to watch content from the HR24 hard disk.
How is Hopper or Genie better than Direct2PC?
If a majority of your viewing is locals in primetime, then the hopper is easily enough. I considered switching because of Hopper, but my Yankees addiction (I don't like MLB.tv) and my addiction to wanting every Giants/Falcons/Ravens/Colts game keeps me put.
Outside of DirectvtoPC, while I don't have one personally, AIUI the nomad unit may also stream compressed video to a PC on the same network or other networked personal device as it stores encoded content.
And in spite of the new nomad system name "GenieGo," it has nothing to do with having a Genie specifically and may work with all other networked HD-DVR models.
Hands down better than Direct2PC from my POV. I had Win7 on one of my laptops and even though D2PC bitched about it, it worked fine. Upgraded to Win8 and it wouldn't work any more no matter how much futzing around I did.
And it doesn't work on a Mac at all even with BootCamp and windows.
Dish's works on pretty much anything with a browser, and also on iOS and Android (I think it works on Android).
How well does Genie work in streaming content to an Internet-connected device? Can I watch live content from my PC with either Hopper or Genie?
Streaming content from your computer TO the Genie or Hopper is done via a DLNA server, like Playon and others. My experience is that while it works, it isn't the best implementation I've seen on either the Hopper or HR24 (when I had that).
At this point in time Dish's Dish Anywhere is smoother in operation and I think that is because they've been working on in under one name or another for a longer time and have ironed out most of the kinks.
When I left Direct a few months ago, their online 'anywhere' product wasn't really ready for primetime, but I didn't see anything that leads me to believe they won't get it smoothed out fairly soon.
Live content on the PC?
For DIRECTV, no;
You would have to at least start a recording on a Genie or any other network connected HD-DVR and then stream to a PC on your home network with either DirectvtoPC or a separately purchased a nomad unit while its in the process of encoding the program to its memory.
Neither of these methods work over the internet however. DIRECTV has no remote streaming capability of live or pre-recorded program content from a DVR on your home network over the internet. You would have to purchase a Slingbox for that.
What about Dish?
The only way I think you can watch live content is through Directv ipad/iphone app and Android app but not all channels, although there is quite a lot of channels to stream especially recently added HD channels. If you want to watch live content on your PC then a slingbox/vulkano is your best bet.
That is both an apples and oranges comparison as well as a gross oversimplification. That's like saying that any 5 bills of folding money must be better than any other 3 bills of folding money. I'd rather have 3 tens than 5 fives anyday, and will gladly trade you 5 fives for 3 tens as often as you like.
One could just as easily oversimplify it in the other direction and say one DVR can record 5 programs at once (the one with 5 tuners), while another DVR can record 6 programs at once (the one with 3 tuners). That would be a true statement also, and the one with the capability of recording more programs at once must be the winner. Or is it?
Aside from the fact that DTV decided after the fact that it needed to brand it with a cute little name to muddy the waters and make dummies think the Genie is in the same league as the Hopper, which it most definitely is not, about the only thing in common is that both use a server/client approach. Other, half-baked comparisons are made at your own peril.
Here is the comparison that actually matters: one DVR has Prime Time Anytime and a full-blown commercial killer that has scared the pants off of four major networks, and the other doesn't have either.
I don't think PTAT will be that much of a selling feature in the near future with a shifting of viewers watching series going to the premium networks & "cable" channels (AMC, Bravo, etc)
Yes, one will record 4 things I don't care about, the other will record 5 things I want to watch.
Which is what Direct a better choice for you. But for me, PTAT has real value, so I can record 6 shows during primetime (and actually at anytime now).
Since broadcast doesn't tend to repeat shows real soon after the initial showing of an episode and cable type channels do, it makes scheduling much easier. Especially for those like me that watch everything delayed by some time.
Isn't it great that there are the two services so we can both get what we want?
with the hopper/sling you can
For watching content on your PC, the Hopper with Sling built in is probably the best option. The Slingbox offers much more flexibility on your PC, than Directv2PC. That's because from your PC, you can watch live TV, set up recordings, check your To Do List, basically anything you can do with your DVR on your TV. And the HD quality is excellent since its on your local network.
Now the downside of the Hopper with the Slingbox option built in. If you switch providers, you lose the sling capabilities. I've had a stand alone Slingbox for several years and used it on TW Cable, prior to DIRECTV. By purchasing the Slingbox separate, you own it. So you have the flexibility to use it on any provider and the flexibility to pick providers based on content you want to watch. And with a Slingbox, you can control multiple receivers. When I travel or locally on my PC, I can watch my DIRECTV DVR, my OTA DVR or my DVD Recorder (which I rarely use anymore).
The reason Sling is built in to Dish DVR's is because [Echostar] bought Sling Media in 2007 [link]. Of course Echostar spun off from Dish, but they still manufacturer the DVR's for Dish and the Slingbox. So that's why Dish has Sling built into some of their DVR's.