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DirecTV vs. Hopper Comparison

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by joshjr, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Apr 8, 2013 #61 of 143
    dpeters11

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    And more blatant ads inside of programming.
     
  2. Apr 9, 2013 #62 of 143
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    Now if you all are done bitch slappin each other maybe someone can provide an unbiased comparison that actually might mean something to those of us that really care how these two DVR's work in the real world.
     
  3. Apr 9, 2013 #63 of 143
    mitchflorida

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    To me it means that if I am going to sign a new two-year contract for new equipment , it will definitely be with Dish Hopper/slingbox as opposed to the current Genie. The HR24 and Direct2PC is okay for now, but I will eventually want a new receiver. Most people would also say that Dish has better SD quality than DTV does, but I think their HD quality are about equal.

    One of these days I will make the switch . . now I just call every now and then to get a DTV discount.
     
  4. Apr 9, 2013 #64 of 143
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    Remember that opinion is usually made by people with EA setups since it's all MPEG4. WA is still MPEG2 for SD channels and folks say it doesn't look as good as EA.
     
  5. Apr 9, 2013 #65 of 143
    mitchflorida

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    Sorry, but I don't know what EA and WA means.
     
  6. Apr 9, 2013 #66 of 143
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    Eastern Arc, Western Arc.
     
  7. Apr 9, 2013 #67 of 143
    lparsons21

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    It is hard to get a truly unbiased comparison because of the nature of this forum. Couple that with some fanboism from all sides, a plethora of complaints that are part and parcel with forum of this nature and the emphasis on channels that might or might not be of interest to someone reading the comparison and you can see the difficulty.

    The Dish Hopper/Joey setup at this point in time seems to be more solid in operation than the Genie/Cxx box setups. But that is something that will work itself out with time.

    Direct has a much simpler and easier HDGUI to navigate than Dish does using lists in many places, while Dish has gone thumbnail crazy. Search on D* is still better overall than E*, but E* is getting better imo.

    Direct has 5 tuners in the Genie that are always available to use, so you can record 5 events at any given time. Dish has 3 tuners, but you can record the big 4 broadcast channels at any time with just one of the tuners, otherwise you can only use 3 tuners at a time for the other channels. You watching/recording preferences really come into play as to which approach would work better for you.

    With an External hard drive, you actually gain storage space that adds to the internal with Dish. And the Hopper comes with a 2TB drive vice the 1TB that the Genie comes with. And with Dish, that external drive is transferrable to a different Hopper on your account which means that if a Hopper goes bad and you get a replacement, you haven't lost the use of the shows stored on that hard drive.

    And then there is the speed of operation. The Hopper/Joey units are just much faster at what they do than any of the Direct units. I've read the new HR44 Genie is very fast but haven't seen any comparison of it to the speed of the Hopper.

    The rest of the differences all center around remote access, video sharing on the home network, and channel choices.

    Hopefully I haven't missed anything, but I'm sure if I did, someone will be sure to tell me!! :)

    Oh yeah, EA and WA stand for Eastern Arc and Western Arc. Dish uses one or the other depending on your location.
     
  8. Apr 9, 2013 #68 of 143
    RAD

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    Dish has two completly different satellite systems going, Eastern Arc and Western Arc. WA is bascially their orginial system with SD channels in MPEG2 and HD channels in MPEG4. EA is a new system, based on new technology and all channels are in MPEG4 which allows for a better SD picture. Some locations can use only EA, some only WA and some allow for either system to be used based on which has the better line of site from the home.
     
  9. Apr 9, 2013 #69 of 143
    mitchflorida

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    It sounds like for SD, DirecTV always uses MPEG2 but Dish uses MPEG4 for EA? So Dish would have the edge there. I must have had EA when I was with Dish because the difference was noticeable.
     
  10. Apr 9, 2013 #70 of 143
    patmurphey

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    The 3tuner/5tuner debate is silly. The Hopper was designed to serve both a small household and a large household with the same equipment. Without debating the fact that a Hopper with OTA can record up to 7 shows at once (yes, the OTA module adds a tuner), if you need more tuners, you can add one or more Hoppers. A 2 Hopper setup can support 6 Joeys. There are options for more Hoppers and Joeys, all of them can see any recording. Integration of timer setting isn't complete yet between Hoppers, but Joeys can set timers on either Hopper and read all recordings including both Hopper's EHDs. Older VIP DVRs aren't needed for expansion.

    You can cobble together a massive DTV system with other HRs, but only one Genie and a severe 3 client limit for that Genie. The Genie system has some catching up to do, and with the interface and storage capacity, too.
     
  11. Apr 9, 2013 #71 of 143
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    Maybe and maybe not.
    If most of your recordings are from the major networks, then sure, but if they aren't, it might not be.
    80% of what I record isn't from the major networks, so 5 tuners works better than 3 would.

    "YMMV"
     
  12. Apr 9, 2013 #72 of 143
    Bill Broderick

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    There are currently a total of 4 shows shows, on major networks, that I have scheduled recordings for. None of those 4 shows conflict with one another. So, for me, Primetime Anytime is totally useless compared to having two extra tuners that can be used to record the content that I actually want to watch.

    In my case, using your earlier metaphor, Primetime Anywhere is a blank piece of paper cut to the same size as a $10 bill and stuck in the middle of the pile. It may initially look like it has value. But, in the end, it's useless.
     
  13. Apr 9, 2013 #73 of 143
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    Think about it this way. The maximum that the Hopper can record is 6 channels at any one time. In order to do that you are recording the 4 majors and 2 "cable" networks. That means you need to have a show that you want to watch on all 4 major networks at the same time. That may happen for some people, but probably not all that many. If it does happen the Genie can also record all 4 of the major networks at that same time, but would be limited to only one "cable" network at the same time. That usually doesn't matter as much though because many times the cable networks have repeats of their episodes so the Genie should automatically record a repeat of whatever "cable" show it missed because of the conflict. So while the Hopper does have a slight advantage here, it really probably doesn't come into effect all that often. Pretty much the worst thing that might happen is you might have to wait a day or two before you see the new episode of the "cable" show you missed the first airing of.

    Likewise the Genie has an advantage in that it can record any 5 channels at any time. So if you have 5 shows on 5 "cable" channels on at the same time, you can record all 5. With the Hopper you wold only be able to record 3 of them. However, once again most cable channels repeat their episodes, so I imagine it wouldn't be all that difficult for the Hopper to automatically record a repeat of one of the shows that it missed the first airing of (I assume the Hopper can do this, I have never used one so I don't know). So here there is a slight advantage to the Genie, but it probably doesn't happen all that often either.

    So I tend to agree with the others, the 3 tuners/5 tuners debate most likely isn't that big of a deal to most viewers. IF they know how to set up their series recording priorities right. If you don't bother messing with series priorities at all I would probably have to give a slight edge to the Genie when you consider it is probably a little more likely that you would need to record 5 things at the same time on any of the hundred or so channels you get, than it is you would need to record all 4 major networks at the same time.
     
  14. Apr 9, 2013 #74 of 143
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    It does if you have a Joey using 1 of the tuners.

    With Directv I have 2 other HR's and all are connected through whole-home.
     
  15. Apr 9, 2013 #75 of 143
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    That's one thing that I think D* did with MRV and Genie that makes lots of sense. With the Hopper/Joey setup, if the Joey watches live it is using a tuner on the Hopper, just as does the Genie/Cxx combo.

    But the flexibility to have an actual receiver or DVR as a client is a plus in Direct's favor.
     
  16. Apr 9, 2013 #76 of 143
    joshjr

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    It was key for me. Also to get the 15 tuners I currently have, I would have to pay a huge fee with Dish that I didn't not have to with DirecTV. Also since Hopper's really only have 3 tuners, I would probably not want them as part of my 15 tuner setup. That with a lack of sports packages (MLB EI and NFL Sunday Ticket) are more than enough to change my mind. I needed a 5 tuner box that does not come with restrictions. Let me know when Dish offers that because currently they don't.
     
  17. Apr 9, 2013 #77 of 143
    lparsons21

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    I cannot even fathom why a home user would need or even be able to take advantage of 15 tuners! I thought I watched a lot of TV, when was the last time you went outside? :)

    As to the huge fee, if you are talking about startup costs, I don't see that D* is all that much different that E* these days when you get out of the realm of freebies. And the monthly cost with Hopper/Joey is $1/more per unit that D*'s these days.

    I don't think E* has any reasonable way to get 15 tuners in one house on one account.

    All of which means that D* is the right one for you. Congrats of figuring it out for yourself!! :)
     
  18. Apr 9, 2013 #78 of 143
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    Like I said, its not just that the Hopper's limitations is not for me but their lack of sports programming really pose a problem for me. Here is what I paid for my 15 tuner setup.

    HR34 - free with a $49 install fee.
    HR24 - $100 for a owned HR20 that was later swapped for this owned HR24.
    HR24 - swapped from a leased HR20 that was part of the initial install so $0
    HR22 - $77 for it owned.
    HR20 - $100 for it owned.
    R22 - $85 owned.

    So all in all $411 dollars for 15 tuners, all of which are used as HD DVR's.
     
  19. Apr 9, 2013 #79 of 143
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    With what you have, even assuming E* had something that could fit, the price would be prohibitive. But then if you had to duplicate that setup with all new D* gear, that price would make you sit down fast!! :)

    As to the programming wants, yep that's what makes the big difference. With me both services are nearly the same in offerings though EPIX and Reelz in HD is important enough that I switched. Frankly I could and have had either service and be mostly happy.

    And as I've said a few times, it is great that we have 2 great SAT services that provide us a way to get what we want in a manner we want to get them. Choice is good!
     
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    With what you have, even assuming E* had something that could fit, the price would be prohibitive. But then if you had to duplicate that setup with all new D* gear, that price would make you sit down fast!! :)

    As to the programming wants, yep that's what makes the big difference. With me both services are nearly the same in offerings though EPIX and Reelz in HD is important enough that I switched. Frankly I could and have had either service and be mostly happy.

    And as I've said a few times, it is great that we have 2 great SAT services that provide us a way to get what we want in a manner we want to get them. Choice is good!

    edit: oops! Sorry for the double post, wasn't intentional.
     

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