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DirecTV vs. Hopper Comparison

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by joshjr, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. ehilbert1

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    Yea I see that but they didn't offer us anything. That is until we switched. I'm not one to look for lots of credits and free receivers. It would have been nice to have been offered it though. Who knows we might end up back with Direct someday.
     
  2. Diana C

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    As I said, I understand that some people choose Dish for perfectly valid reasons. $300 is a lot of money for a DVR. I was still under contract (having added a couple of H25's) and got our Genie for an effective $80 ($200 with $10/month credit for 12 months). Dish is not a viable alternative for us anymore, since they don't carry SNY or YES (Dish has effectively abandonded the NYC market - they only really sell on the basis of their international content).

    As far as ratings go, look more closely...while on the aggregate, many more people watch any of the broadcast networks than watch any cable channel, in many time slots the cable channels have the top rated show. When thinking about a DVR, it is what shows are most viewed in a given timeslot that matters.

    Sure, you can have two Hoppers, and pay two DVR fees, and you only end up with one more tuner than a single Genie. There is no technical reason you can't have 2 Genies as well...DirecTV is just limiting it to one per account as a business rule (for now). I can Genie and HR24 too, and still have one more tuner than 2 Hoppers for the same DVR fees. And I can add OTA tuners to any DirecTV receiver, just like you can on Dish (the AM21 adds 2 OTA tuners).
     
  3. dpeters11

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    I wonder how much of the benefit in the Genie is more the "set it and forget it" aspect of PTAT. You might not record a lot, but might be useful in the water cooler talk...did you see Chris Hanson go after those Internet scammers/predator last night, that new premiere etc.

    It would be a nice way to get some more series links slots on a DVR on DirecTV.

    Of course it may very well be available On Demand, but it can be troublesome depending on what network it was on or what studio.
     
  4. lparsons21

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    A Joey is paired to whichever Hopper you tell it to be and you can switch which one that is quite easily.

    At this moment in time I believe the Joey is a bit more versatile because of that. Am I correct in thinking that the Cxx clients can only see an HR34 or HR44?

    Note that I said 'at this moment in time' as I believe how the clients work can and will be changed a bit. I fully expect D* to allow the Cxx clients to see all HRs and I also expect that Joeys will be able to see more than one Hopper at a time. When is the question.
     
  5. ehilbert1

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    We only pay one DVR fee. That' s $10 for whole home. We have one Hopper that does PTAT and the OTA tunner gets my wifes CW shows. That will free up two tuners on that Hopper. Plus we have 3 for whatever we want on the other Hopper. Truth be told we don't watch that many shows on a given night. We record a lot of stuff on the premium channels and stuff for our daughter. So really we don't have to have that many tuners going but it's nice to have them when we do. I'm sure you feel that way with your Genie and HDDVR's.

    I love the cable shows. Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, Justified. They blow everything away that's on broadcast away. Plus Dexter, Homeland and Game of Thrones is awesome. We have a lot of stuff to watch over the summer. My wife is a teacher and she watches a lot of her stuff over the summer.

    It's so nice to have an adult conversation with you guys on here. I wish it was always like that!
     
  6. lparsons21

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    Currently the leasing upfront costs for Genie+3 Cxx clients is the same as a Hopper+3 Joeys for a new customer.

    To outright buy the Hopper is much cheaper than to outright buy an HR34 or 44, I think it is even cheaper than buying a new HR24 but am not sure of that.

    And as you and I both noted, for an existing customer the cost to 'upgrade' is all over the place with some getting free and others paying up to $299. I think that E* has a little more fixed cost to upgrade to Hopper/Joey though it does fluctuate a bit also.

    The big advantage for D* in this scenario is that you can mix a Genie with previous HRxx and Hxx models.
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    Clients can be changed between Genies, though it could [should] be done easier than it currently is.
    Clients have mixed results watching recordings from Genies they're not paired to currently, but have full access to recordings on HR2x DVRs.
    I do expect the whole experience to become more "seamless" over time.
     
  8. lparsons21

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    When did they change the clients to be able to see other than a Genie?

    Both services should and probably will make things more seamless. It just makes good common sense for them to do so.
     
  9. veryoldschool

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    A while back, but I don't remember which NR it was.
     
  10. P Smith

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    I would image if next box will be with 6 tuners and will require two coax cables from Duo Node. Same as a config with 2xH now.
    But H's design is very tight and not well made for cooling down the tuner's chips (most source of a heat for H now) - it would be nightmare for HW engineers to design new DVR with 6 tuners using current Broadcom tuner chips.
     
  11. Diana C

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    Sorry, should have types "two outlet fees".
     
  12. Bill Broderick

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    Is the client seeing the HR2x's itself or is it really seeing the Genie, which can see the HR2x's?

    I guess my question ends up being do both the HR and the Genie end up being a server to the Client when viewing HR2x content (with the HR2x serving the Genie, which in turn serves the Client) or is the client communicating directly with the HR2x? If the former, does that use up one of the three remote locations that can be simultaneously be served by the Genie?
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    The Genie is the server, so the HR2x streaming is tied up, but I don't think as this is "incoming" that it ties up one of the three Genie "out going" streams.

    I may see if I can prove this, but will take me a while.
    As I think about what I have and can get going, the first thing that comes to mind is the single streaming of the HR2x, which is "one in each direction".
    I can test one going into the Genie and three going out, but I can't see if 2 in, 3 out is possible, though it seems like 3 in and 3 out would work.
     
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    I am not totally familiar with the HR44 but am planning on switching to "D this summer. I was just advised that the HR44 cannot access the power of a AVR, but can only control the volume. How/Why can that be? Seriously, can't turn my Yamaha receiver on and off?
     
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    That's the problem with posting things, you can't tell emotions. I didn't take it personal, but you thought I did. I thought you were a Dish Fan Boy, when maybe you aren't. So I was just stating some facts and then feeding back to you, the same comments about DIRECTV, that you made about Dish.

    If Dish had NFLST and NHLCI with all the games in HD, I would be a Dish customer. I actually like PTAT, because we watch plenty of programs on the big 4 networks.
     
  16. Diana C

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    That's a function of the remote, not the DVR. The DirecTV remotes can definitely be programmed to control the AVR. When in the "DirecTV" mode, it will control the DVR and the volume of either the TV or the AVR (set when programming the remote). However, in "AV1" or "AV2" mode, the remote will control the AVR (power, volume, input, etc.). For example, in the family room our remote is set to control the DVR, our Panasonic TV, our Yamaha AVR (AV1) and our Panasonic BluRay player (AV2).
     
  17. RAD

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    The above is true unless you'e using the RC71 remote, then there is no way control the power for anything beside the HR44 and the TV. So if you don't need to use RF with the HR44 you can use an older model remote in IR mode and do what Diana says.
     
  18. inazsully

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    In reading the review of the HR44 I thought I read that the remote can be set up for RF or IR. Is it also true that I have no options regarding the number of channels that can be shown on the guide page and that I can only see out for 90 minutes?
     
  19. RAD

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    The RC71 that comes with it can do IR or RF, but it doesn't have the slider control for AV1, AV2 and TV like the old RC65 or earlier remotes have. The old controls have some models that do RF but are not RF mode compatible withe the HR44.

    For your second question you are correct, you can't change the guide layout and shows only 90 min at a time.
     
  20. ehilbert1

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    Your right about telling emotions. I'm not a fan boy of anything other than my family, my country and my Buckeyes. I will never be a fan boy of a TV service provider or a gadget. I have no idea why people get so damn up in arms over a TV service provider?? Are these people fan boys of their gas and electric company??? I just don't get it. Personally I find it sad and pathetic.

    So sorry about the misconception my friend. The only real sport I love is football and college football at that. When I was with Direct I got Sunday ticket but really only watched the redzone channel. The next year I asked if I could just pay for that. I was told no. So when we switched to Dish I was happy they let you buy the sports pack with redzone. Now I know everyone isn't the same but that helped.

    I have nothing against Direct TV. I was happy with it. Yea the DVR's were slow but that's OK. They wanted to charge me $300 for a Genie even though we were out of contract. I just couldn't justify that and a new 2 year contract on top of it. So we went with Dish. So I'm not pissed at Direct or anything like that. It's just TV and a better deal for now.
     

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