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DirecTV will sell HR 44s to Solid Signal and Weaknees - but not me

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by FarNorth, May 29, 2013.

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  1. Jun 3, 2013 #161 of 263
    Greg4050

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    This thread is really meandering. I dont think the cost of the unit was really what the initial poster had in mind.

    How does one go about purchasing a unit these days?
     
  2. Jun 3, 2013 #162 of 263
    veryoldschool

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    Most of the time they're used off of Ebay, Craigslist, or the buy & sell forum here.

    There was some "chatter", on another site, about being able to buy directly from DirecTV, but I don't know how or if the poster did.
     
  3. Jun 3, 2013 #163 of 263
    bobcamp1

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    The Tivo Premiere 4, two tuners, has an MSRP at $249.

    The Tivo Premiere 4XL, four tuners, has an MSRP at $399.

    Add $100 for installation, which Tivo doesn't have to worry about, and it's still nowhere near $700. That's because for various reasons, as you said, D* doesn't WANT you to own the box.
     
  4. Jun 3, 2013 #164 of 263
    CCarncross

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    Don't you also need to buy a Tivo subscription for full functionality? Either monthly or lifetime? I don't know for sure but if so that needs to be factored into price as it probably helps to subsidize the hardware costs as well.
     
  5. Jun 3, 2013 #165 of 263
    Mike Greer

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    The 'mirroring' fee is also a subsidy for DirecTV. Even if you do own your receiver you still have to pay monthly for each receiver.. Forever.... In my case, including the initial 'lease' fee, I have paid about $1200 for 3 HR24s. That will continue to increase each month that I continue to subscribe. If/when I cancel DirecTV will 'lease' those 3 HR24s to others and make even more money off of them...

    The lease model that DirecTV uses is skewed in their favor and makes them more money than if people just flat out owned their receivers.
     
  6. Jun 3, 2013 #166 of 263
    gio12

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    If you believe that, I have swamp land to sell you. Large scale American craftsmanship is down the drain because of the of several reasons.
    #1 Americans don't give a CRAP anymore
    #2 Americans want higher wages and companies wont pay it because the consumer won't.

    I will give you an example of a business I have been in for 15 years.
    The Bike industry. To keep it simple. best bikes craft wise and engineering came for the US. To save labor, US companies move to Taiwan to save money. They then became BETTER than the US is welding and in Carbon Fiber production, besides Africa, yes, Africa via France.

    Now Taiwan wants higher wages and stuff moved to China. They are now producing frames at Taiwanese and US quality. Composites are getting VERY close as well as their engineering.

    Can the US produce better quality stuff than Asia, at similar cost to consumers in the future? We will see when Apple starts building Macs here!
     
  7. Jun 3, 2013 #167 of 263
    Scott Kocourek

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    Of course it's skewed in DIRECTV's favor, they are a for profit business. If the model was to break even or lose money everyday they would be gone.
     
  8. Jun 3, 2013 #168 of 263
    veryoldschool

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    True, but at the same time is less for the new customer.
    I'm still burning from the POS Sony HD receiver I bought for $800 to come to DirecTV. 2-3 years later it was useless with the move to MPEG-4.
    I'm not a fan of the up front lease fee, or for that matter the mirroring fees. It doesn't cost DirecTV "anything" for me to have more than one working receiver.

    I do need to point out that the returned receivers don't go straight back to another customer though.
    They all go through a refurbishing process, which does cost DirecTV, so it isn't exactly "rinse and repeat" over and over.

    Any company that isn't "skewing in their favor", either isn't going to be in business long, or has to be making it up somewhere else.

    I've never had a TiVo, but the old HR10-250 was expensive and TiVo had their nice monthly revenue feed, which seems to be how everyone is moving to. No longer is it enough to sell a product/device, but it has to come with the recurring revenue feed.

    You may be old enough to remember the phone company wanting to charge $0.50/month to "protect/service" the wiring in your home.
    As long as I can remember, it never was a problem, but imagine the returns on that $0.50/customer.
    DirecTV did and charged us $3/month for MRV.
    "Millions per month" to the bottom line, is just too hard to pass up.
     
  9. Jun 3, 2013 #169 of 263
    veryoldschool

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    Please stop trying to bring reality into this rant. !rolling
     
  10. Jun 3, 2013 #170 of 263
    Scott Kocourek

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    :D Sometimes I get the feeling that people want business to run like government....

    Of course I'll give myself the big :backtotop knowing full well that politics is against the forum rules.
     
  11. Jun 3, 2013 #171 of 263
    Mike Greer

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    Um, yes.... As I have stated many times DirecTV is in business to make money and they do make money. I only used the word 'skewed' because there are many people here that seem to think DirecTV is doing us a favor with their 'lease' program.

    DirecTV doesn't need to be defended in everything they do. We don't need to 'pretend' they are taking a loss on their over-priced under-powered receivers. DirecTV makes money every month on nearly every receiver they 'lease' and that is as it should be... Doesn't change the fact that they should make it an option for those of us who wish to 'buy' the receiver we want and not have to play games to do it.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2013 #172 of 263
    Mike Greer

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    I've also been on both sides. I paid $2000 for HR10-250s that didn't even last 3 years...

    As for their 'refurb' process goes - they must not pay much to have it done. I once received a beat up, scratched up, cigarette smoke smelling dented HR20 to replace a failed HR22. Looked like someone had used vice-grips to open it up as each screw in the back and circular scratches/dents around it from twisting the 'security' screws out. Lucky for me it was right as the DECA adapters where released and the support people couldn't figure out how to make it work on the HR20-100's. After I sent it back I found out about the 'splitter' fix to make the DECA adapter work...

    Again - I'm not complaining about DirecTV making money. I guess I'm complaining about the people trying to convince us all that DirecTV is doing us a favor by not 'selling' us receivers.
     
  13. Jun 3, 2013 #173 of 263
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    Right, you can buy a great american built bike from Rivendell etc, but how many groupsets are made in the US? You can't get away from it.
     
  14. Jun 3, 2013 #174 of 263
    peds48

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    will see when Apple starts building Macs here![/quote]

    is coming....


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  15. Jun 3, 2013 #175 of 263
    slice1900

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    It may not be a fair comparison, because Apple is most likely going to be using a highly automated factory for the US assembly of Macs. The quality of an automated factory should be pretty equal no matter where it is (modulo whatever human element of QC there is)

    As for how it compares to the current Macs that are assembled in Ireland and China (probably other places too, don't know offhand) is another matter. Theoretically automation should improve the assembly, but its possible it may take a bit of time to get all the robots tuned just right!
     
  16. Jun 4, 2013 #176 of 263
    Laxguy

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    Oh, right, Mike. Give us three names of those who've so indicated.
     
  17. Jun 4, 2013 #177 of 263
    Mike Greer

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    I get enough 'hate' mail... A search on 'leased' and 'owned' will give you plenty - not that it matters.

    If I want to pay for an HR44 I don't see the problem... Why is it so difficult to allow me to pay DirecTV money? And why should I have to worry about getting my new SS HR44 replaced with an HR34 weeks after I buy (lease) it? This isn't rocket science and could be much easier.
     
  18. Jun 4, 2013 #178 of 263
    bobcamp1

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    I also see at least three people. If I name the names this thread will probably get closed. Also not so much that as "the lease is a deal, that box costs a lot of money." I used to manufacture cell phones and other customer electronics, and I can tell you the lease is a huge cash cow for D*. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    You've hit upon a key psychological component of this thread. The "buy (lease)" slip. If people pay ANY money UP FRONT, they assume they're buying it. They have to constantly remind themselves that they're NOT buying it. But even then in the back of their mind they always FEEL like they're buying it. And when people buy things, they are usually brand new. Especially if they're paying $200-$300 for it.

    And when a slow, six-year old, low capacity, banged up DVR shows up instead, they will feel disappointed and ripped off. Some people know this about themselves, which is why they will pay extra money to get (buy or lease) the latest box. But when the price for a new box and an old box are identical, and they receive the OLD box, and there's no guaranteed way to get a new box, that's yet another way people will feel ripped off.

    Many cable companies do not have an upfront lease fee, but simply increase the monthly rate and charge $20/month per DVR or $10 per box. This method could cost customers MORE in the long run, but they don't FEEL like they're being ripped off because they know they're leasing it.

    I've crunched the numbers, and from a monetary point of view the D* model costs less for the customer in the long run. But people aren't always logical, especially when it comes to money.
     
  19. Jun 4, 2013 #179 of 263
    wingrider01

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    And even if you have the monthly insurance on the cell phone it will still cost you 199.00 to replace a broken phone and that one will be a refurb
     
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  20. Jun 4, 2013 #180 of 263
    Laxguy

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    Three people? That is not 'many' in the context of this thread.
     
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