DirecTV's PQ ain't what it used to be

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  1. Mar 19, 2021 #61 of 182
    Davenlr

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    It has a few bugs for TV watching. LOTS of bugs for gaming. Just the only OLED under his budget at the moment if he wants to go 65" I personally havent had any issues at all with mine, but I never play games or hook it to a computer. Just the Smartcast, a Roku, and a BD player.
     
  2. Mar 20, 2021 #62 of 182
    NashGuy

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    Well, there's temporary image retention and then there's permanent burn-in. My parents have a mid-range Panasonic plasma that's been their main TV for a decade or so now and they've not had any burn-in. But just about any time I turn the TV off in a dark room, I can see a faint ghost image retained on the screen for a bit but that quickly fades away. Just to be safe, I run the anti-IR tool on their TV a couple times a year when I visit.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that burn-in works differently for plasma vs. OLED. I have an LG B6 (2016) and had to have the panel replaced due to burn-in earlier this year. Fortunately, I read on a forum that LG was offering one free panel replacement on their OLEDs even if the TV was out of warranty (which mine was, by a few years). I had wrongly assumed that as long as I didn't keep a static image/graphic on the screen for an extended period of time that I wouldn't get burn-in, because that's the way it works on a plasma. I figured that wouldn't be a problem for me since I'm not a gamer and don't keep the TV on all day on a news channel.

    But on an OLED, it's the cumulative amount of time that an image/graphic is displayed on the screen that matters. I had watched the same news channel for an average of *maybe* one hour per day for a couple of years. I never left it on the same channel for several hours running. But part of the channel logo ended up getting burned into the screen because that logo was displayed on the same spot on the screen for a certain total number of hours.

    Now, before you freak out, I learned that LG built better tech into their OLED TVs starting with the 2017 models to prevent burn-in. I think they maybe track how much time each pixel is lit up a certain color and then take steps to offset imbalances between pixels. So just make sure that you have any anti-burn-in features enabled in the TV settings and hopefully you'll be OK.
     
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  3. Mar 20, 2021 #63 of 182
    NashGuy

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    I think this website is particularly good in terms of TV reviews and buying guides:
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    I had this issue also with my 2017 OLED with a local news channel. Had it replaced earlier this year. Good news was the panel was a 2020 production panel so should never have the issue again
     
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  5. Mar 20, 2021 #65 of 182
    slovell

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    Bought the Sony X950H 55" from Amazon, should be here Thursday. :)
     
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  6. Mar 21, 2021 #66 of 182
    cypherx

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    I agree the quality is soft compared to other content. Streaming gives the best image quality on my 65" Sony X900H. With the LCC I've also noticed local channels are "crisper" when tuning the OTA. I just have to pause it for a second and unpause it and then the framerate matches the smoothness of the Sattelite broadcast. I try to watch the OTA version if its a good clear day with solid signals.

    We watch a lot of 4K stuff on Amazon, Apple TV+, Netflix, Youtube, and even 1080p stuff on Discovery+, HBO Max and Peacock blow DirecTV out of the water. I'd like to see them do less bit starving and better broadcast quality, but I guess they have to follow the money.
     
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  7. Mar 21, 2021 #67 of 182
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    I went to a friend's house yesterday to watch , they had cox and wow thay picture was awful . So glad I have DirecTV!

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  8. Mar 21, 2021 #68 of 182
    Mike1096

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    I was at my neighbors who has Xfinity X1 system and I have to say his local news feed looked better than DirecTV or ATT TV. I couldn’t believe it


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  9. Mar 21, 2021 #69 of 182
    slice1900

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    Probably getting the local stations differently than Directv. With the explosion of subchannels, any provider that either picks up the local stations OTA (which Directv does for at least some of them in most markets) or picks up the same thing they feed to their antenna (i.e. the bit rate of the 'main' channel is already hopelessly compromised) you get crap quality. Nothing you can do about it at that point.

    In some cases providers get the feed before it hits the mux and has bit rates reduced to fit in a 19.2 Mbps ATSC channel. Then so long as they don't shape the bit rate themselves too much it will be much better quality than what they broadcast via ATSC or feed to providers who get the same thing.

    This is getting worse now with stations cramming two HD channels (plus a host of subchannels) in to free up one RF channel for ATSC 3.0 testing.
     
  10. Mar 21, 2021 #70 of 182
    NashGuy

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    Given that Comcast does everything in 720p H.264 with fairly low bitrates (i.e. lots of compression), that surprises me. In some areas, they were still transmitting locals in their original MPEG-2 (and at 1080i for those broadcasting in it) but I think they've switched everything nationwide over to strictly 720p H.264 now.
     
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  11. Mar 21, 2021 #71 of 182
    slovell

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    With DTV our locals look terrible. CBS looks washed out, grainy, blurry, and NBC looks just as bad. OTOH they still look pretty bad OTA.
     
  12. Mar 21, 2021 #72 of 182
    James Long

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    Nobody can make them look better than OTA ... and there are plenty of stations that don't provide an excellent OTA signal, choosing to use subchannel space for content instead of improved PQ on the main channels.
     
  13. Mar 21, 2021 #73 of 182
    Davenlr

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    Yep. Our local PBS station used to turn off the subchannels during prime time, and broadcast at 1080i will full bitrate. I was a paid donator. Then they changed and dropped the resolution to 720p, and left all 3 subchannels on. I canceled my annual donation to PBS, and started watching it on KU band satellite until a tree got in the way, now I just dont watch it anymore. Looks like crap.
     
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  14. Mar 21, 2021 #74 of 182
    Phil T

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    When I dropped DirecTV for Comcast in 2017 I did a side by side on my 65" Sony for a couple weeks. DirecTV did look better on most channels but not by much.
    In 2020 I switched from the Tivo Bolt VOX to the XG1v4 4K Comcast box. The picture quality now, especially on local channels, is better then I ever remember on DirecTV.
    Sometimes it gives me a wow factor that I don't remember early on.

    I don't know if it is the difference between the Tivo Vox 4K and the XG1v4 Comcast box or if Comcast or the stations have improved picture quality in the last couple of years.

    Overall I am very pleased with Comcast/Xfinity picture quality.
     
  15. Mar 21, 2021 #75 of 182
    Davenlr

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    If I am not mistaken, the X1 system gets the local channels directly via fiber to the local Comcast distro center from the local stations, and then just sends it out after encoding it. Not sure why it would be better than the Tivo though. When I had the X1, they all looked the same as the Tivo, except the X1 box burned up after 3 months...it was always hot enough to fry an egg on. Only got it because they said I could only get the Red Zone channel if I got one. Then found out it came in on the cablecard with the Tivo just fine. That kind of pissed me off. After the season was over, I canceled them completely.
     
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  16. Mar 21, 2021 #76 of 182
    Mike1096

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    Are you running DirecTV? Or the ATT TV? X1 overall sucks. So many channels still in only SD. The guide is a disaster.


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  17. Mar 22, 2021 #77 of 182
    Davenlr

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    I was on X1 / Tivo Bolt until Sept 2020, then went to DirecTv, and when I ran into issues with them, switched to ATT TV in Feb 2021.
    I could be convinced to go back to DirecTv if they allowed me to activate my owned HR24s, and a H24, didnt charge extra for the extra rooms, didnt charge for HD, and didnt charge for multiroom viewing. In other words, for the same price as ATT TV, for the same channels, using my equipment. Would not cost them a dime extra to do that. I would even probably subscribe to Sunday Ticket this year. But they wont.
     
  18. Mar 22, 2021 #78 of 182
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    That's not universally true. Some carriers receive their some of their broadcast netwpork signals via fiber streams rather than OTA reception. My local Comcast gets their ABC feed (and possibly others) that way. Pre-mux is better than OTA. Of course what Comcast does with it is pretty brutal but the source was as good as it gets.
     
  19. Mar 22, 2021 #79 of 182
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    I also had a 65 inch 2016 OLED E6. After one year, there was ridiculous amounts of burn-in (ESPN logo, CNN breaking news, Directv/ATT logo from the tv guide, etc). They did offer to replace the panel or give me cash for the tv. I declined because the replacement panels did not have 3D technology since they stopped making 3D tv's. I didn't want to lose 3D since those were the last 3D tv's ever made. It was in 2018 when I contacted them and they said they stopped making 3d panels earlier that year. Some were able to get their panels replaced with 3D panels right before they stopped making them.

    Since then I bought a 77 inch C8 and have not had any issues with burn-in so far. It's been about 2.5 years. I do have a few dead pixels but they are not noticeable unless if you are standing right in front of the tv.
     
  20. Mar 23, 2021 #80 of 182
    Robert Wyatt

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    It is excellent to me really good quality I get 100s on 101 satellite and 103 satellite I get 100s 99 satellite 95s 99rb 95s picture quality is awesome for me
     
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