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DirecTV's Rules for SWMs

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by BattleZone, Aug 7, 2009.

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  1. rudeney

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    Look at your dish. If you see just one coax feed coming from it, then you have the SWM-ODU (i.e. SWM-LNB). If there are four feeds, then you have a SWM-8 module.
     
  2. spidey

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    So does this get rid of the need for a PI when using a SWM 5 or SWM8? I like the idea of single coax running from the dish vs the 4 I currently have.
     
  3. spidey

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    My neighbor had a new install done this week got the SWM LNB even though only one HD DVR and 3 other sd receivers in the house
     
  4. RobertE

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    No. All flavors of SWiM will need a power inserter.
     
  5. tony41

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    If I am upgrading to an HD DVR I wonder why Direct wont sell me the SWM ODU. Otherwise I will be required to drill a hole through my bedroom wall to connect the second wire somthing I would like to avoid.
     
  6. RAD

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    If you want to buy your own you can go to a vendor like www.solidsignal.com and buy the SWiMLNB or the SWM8 switch if you want.
     
  7. FussyBob

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    SlimLine Dish

    Monopoles

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  8. estang

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    I had a bad experience with DirecTV today, and need some advice. Here's the facts:

    1. I have four receivers (HD21-100, Standard D10, DVR-R15-500, HD21-100).
    2. The Standard D10 is being upgraded to a HDDVR for free due to a new HDTV purchase
    3. I have a 5LNB receiver outside
    4. I was surprised on why I couldn't just do this myself, but it required another line to be fed to the location on the new HDTV
    5. Installer was going to drill a THIRD HOLE in the side of my house (near roof) and feed it across my attice (without floor boards) and then fish it down behind my wall to accomodate the new TV
    6. Sounds like a hard job. My installer thought the same & let's just say their attitude and demeanor was not very good.
    7. Installer gets me tweaked on this "SWIM LINE". Sounds like it is da' Bomb, but as you experts here know: 1) It is not free 2) They don't have the equipment with them 3) They cannot authorize it without approval

    To top this off DirecTV has been overbilling me for a receiver that I don't have for the last 11 months (credited) and charging me for who knows how long for a Premium Package even though I wasn't getting all of these premium channels.

    Now they want to me to pay for something that is "expensive" but cannot quantify that statement.

    I sent the technician away, and will try to see if the new one that shows up later this week is more confident / qualified.

    To pay as much as I do for their product/service, and to be treated like this is a total joke.

    If the next installer doesn't figure this out, then bye-bye DirecTV... To top it off the guy at DirecTV is recommending I purchase the equipment on ebay. Not happening....

    Thoughts/advice welcome...
     
  9. dsw2112

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    Keep in mind that the R15 is NOT SWM compatible, so a SWMLine (AKA SWMLnb) would not be viable without swapping the R15 for a R16 or higher. I'm also assuming you would be sending the D10 back to D* (it is also not SWM compatible.)

    All DVR's require two lines for both tuners to work, unless you utilize SWM. The caveaot is that not all receivers are SWM compatible...

    A SWMLine would not work in your situation (see above relating to your R15) unless the tech was prepared to swap your incompatible SWM receiver (this is not something D* generally does however...)

    I recommend you view the below thread.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=166394&highlight=rules+swm

    D* is likely to continue to relax the restrictions on SWM in the future, but currently you have 5 tuners and will be upgrading to a 6th with the implement of the HDDVR. Per the guidlines the installer was correct in running the additional line to fulfill the install. If you would really like a SWM setup a SWM8 switch would work for your situation. I'd advise pressing the issue with the next tech/his supervisor, but the SWM8 inventory is currently low (last I heard); that coupled with your low tuner count will probably exclude you from this option. On the plus side SWM8's are cheap and you could always purchase yourself!
     
  10. carl6

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    SWM8 is typically not for consumer/home installation, it is intended for multiple dwelling units (MDU). SWM for 8 or fewer tuners is going to be the SWM LNB.

    Whether or not the SWM LNB will be offered during a receiver addition/upgrade is going to vary on a case by case basis, in part on who the HSP is, and on inventory. Chances are pretty good that you won't get the upgrade at no cost, and might not be able to get it at all through the installer.
     
  11. anubys

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    I took the easy way...needed a tech to come and fix a problem so I slipped him a little cash and he installed a SWM for me...
     
  12. dsw2112

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    SWM8's were intended for MDU's, but are now also approved for residential use. They're only supposed to be installed by D* if the tuner count is >8 (two SWM8's in parallel), but installing one yourself is no longer the taboo it once was. For those who want to keep legacy boxes, but still utilize SWM, this is the best option (and why it was recommended to the poster above.) Personally I love the versatility the SWM8 offers including being able to activate old legacy receivers for short periods (while relatives stay, etc.)
     
  13. OptimusPrime

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    I currently have two receivers - an HR21 and an R22 w/HD. After finishing our basement, we've just placed an order for an additional HD-DVR to go downstairs. I have a Slimline dish - and I'm under the assumption the installer will be providing some type of multiswitch to add the new receiver. Any idea what they are using for this type of situation? I do have the broadband converters on my two receivers. Will I need them if a multiswitch is installed?
     
  14. dsw2112

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    BBC's are always necessary unless you have an HR23 or a SWM system. You will receive a WB68 switch per the current upgrade procedure. See the below thread...

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=166394&highlight=rules+swm
     
  15. Dec 2, 2009 #135 of 186
    anubys

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    my tuner count is going from 8 to 10...the installed is coming on Saturday to install a SWM "extender"...he said I will have 4 lines coming out of the dish (instead of the current 1) and that it's a complicated install...

    what the heck is the extender? what is he talking about?
     
  16. Dec 2, 2009 #136 of 186
    samrs

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    One SWM expander plus two SWM8's equal sixteen tuners.
     
  17. Dec 2, 2009 #137 of 186
    TheRatPatrol

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    Hes might be installing one of these

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  18. Dec 2, 2009 #138 of 186
    rudeney

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    It sounds like he will also be swapping out your current SWM LNB for a "traditional" 4-output LNB, and then using SWM modules that RatPatrol mentioned.
     
  19. Dec 2, 2009 #139 of 186
    anubys

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    ok...I see...is there a "better" set up than another? I want to know what to "insist" on :)
     
  20. Dec 2, 2009 #140 of 186
    Doug Brott

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    That's about the only way unless you'd rather they install a second dish.
     
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