1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Disappointed in DISH HD Picture Quality on 4K TV

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by TheVillagesGuy, Mar 2, 2017.

  1. camo

    camo Godfather

    1,175
    97
    Apr 15, 2010
    Do we actually know what resolution Dish or Directv HD are broadcasting at? How about anyone on this forum with software/equipment to test raw signal input or is it so bad it must be kept a secret or just impossible to measure?
    I'm not interested in what the receiver sends out because after rescaling to 1080i you still have pixel loss and the softness many see. Its like putting lipstick on a pig. I know whats been posted on WiKi but that's old information.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,779
    247
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    nothing new here, last pulls of MPEG-2/4 info (not yet for UHD) was from transferred files from DVR's HDD to Mobile Go (?)
    (posted here, I have no link, sorry)

    actually turn Native ON and do obtain the relevant data by your TV diag
     
  3. camo

    camo Godfather

    1,175
    97
    Apr 15, 2010
    I don't think Dish allows you to tune native on. Directv does have that option though.
     
  4. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,779
    247
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    what is making me mad, is both companies keep the info secure and avoid expose it publicaly :( forcing us using hacker's methods
    while in World any DVB-S/S2 receiver show all relevant info for any channel include encrypted if you have subbed card
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    46,250
    1,079
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Correct ... no "native mode" for DISH receivers. And it should be noted that even DIRECTV receivers do not pass through the exact satellite signal. That would require the AVR/TV to do satellite decompression.
     
  6. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,779
    247
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    OK, let me explain the term "Native on" for all of you: that's mean "pass TS or video/audio PES to target like TV of other processors". E.g. what the STB get from satellite, do transfer it to TV without own processing of essential packets/TS.
     
  7. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    46,250
    1,079
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Are you expecting that ANY satellite receiver would actually do that? Or is DIRECTV's "native" mode simply scaling the output to the closest standard HD that matches the satellite transmission of that channel (720p via satellite is output as 720p, 1080i via satellite is output as 1080i).
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,779
    247
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    not "scaling" but adhere
    in case of RVU client, just pass satellite PES to TV
     
  9. n3vino

    n3vino Godfather

    480
    8
    Oct 2, 2011
    Leon...
    My TV info shows what type of signal it is receiving. If I set D* box to send 720p and 1080i, the info button on my tv's remote control will show which signal the tv is receiving. But since I only have the 1080I checked, it shows all signals from all station come in at 1080/60I. If I run it through my aVR which is set to pass 1080P, it will show 1080/60p. If I set avr to send 24 frames, it will show tv receiving 1080/24p. Signals from D* looks great on my 1080P TV.

    My Blue ray passes through AVR what blue ray is set to. Blue ray is set to pass BD and DVD's at 1080p/24. That's what my TV shows it's receiving.
     
  10. n3vino

    n3vino Godfather

    480
    8
    Oct 2, 2011
    Leon...
    It's been argued that D* passes 1920x1080I and that Dish passes 1440x1080I, which is called HD lite. I haven't seen anything on 720P. But 720P is not an issue with me because I set my box to only transmit 1080I. And that's what my tv shows it's receiving from all channels. So the 1440x1080I HD lite is what's keeping me from moving to dish. I don't want to be dissatisfied with Dish and be stuck in a two year contract.
     
  11. camo

    camo Godfather

    1,175
    97
    Apr 15, 2010
    All TV's show what the signal is rescaled too, but this doesn't answer what the raw signal being sent is before image gets rescaled by receiver, TV, or video processor to 1080, 720 etc. Example with FireTv I can look at the actual signal being sent before the TV. Its UHD,1080,720 even less 520 all depending on source.
     
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    46,250
    1,079
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    The historical claim was not what was passed by the box but the resolution sent via satellite. The box output was and is 1920x1080i.

    At some point in the chain channels are converted from the format used via satellite to a signal the TV can easily display. That conversion is done at the receiver or client.

    It is nice that some services reveal their aspect ratios and data rates on screen in their clients. It is more critical for debugging a streaming service (where the feed could vary customer to customer) than a satellite service (where only one or two feeds are available, SD and HD).
     
  13. inazsully

    inazsully Icon

    862
    13
    Oct 3, 2006
    Bottom line is in the eye of the beholder. We had the Hopper since day one until about 6 months ago when we switched to "D". Sitting 18 feet from a Sony 75X850C my wife and I immediately noticed a PQ improvement with "D". Even after 6 months we will both sometimes mention the PQ difference.
     
  14. n3vino

    n3vino Godfather

    480
    8
    Oct 2, 2011
    Leon...
    This is what a lot of people who have had dish, uverse, or cable, have said. Direct tV has a much better PQ. I think D* has a very good PQ. Whether it's the satellite or the receiver providing the resolution is of no consequence. The issue for me is the PQ that is being sent to my TV from the provider.

    I use my smart tv to view Netflix. Sometimes you can see in the stats, via the info key on my remote control, how it goes in steps from a poor resolution to 1080. Whether it's my internet, my tv, or Netflix doing it, I don't know. The Pq from Netflix when it settles, in my opinion, is excellent. Amazon prime, on the other hand, does not offer as much HD as Netflix. They provide a lot of SD 4x3 material. I don't watch SD. I'm curretnly testing HULU free for 30 days, and they also have a very good PQ. I have to see how good their content is.
     
  15. tcatdbs

    tcatdbs Icon

    632
    5
    Jul 10, 2008
    I just upgraded from original Hopper to Hopper 3. PQ looks great on either for HD, but SD looks much worse to me on h3. Good thing I don't watch much on SD!

    6P - AquariOS
     
  16. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,779
    247
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    time to immerse into UHD and forget the SD ;)
     
    chuckf1 and tcatdbs like this.
  17. tcatdbs

    tcatdbs Icon

    632
    5
    Jul 10, 2008
    Really just TVland and Pop. Doesn't take too long to watch all hdr content!

    6P - AquariOS
     
  18. camo

    camo Godfather

    1,175
    97
    Apr 15, 2010
    I had both and matching side by side 4K Sony TV's. At times with different channels like Smithsonian on Directv, it was ultra sharp almost 4K looking but on Dish it was just so so.

    Now HBO I found both very close even after freezing channels to look for subtle differences it was close. I really have my doubts longer distances say 15' anyone can actually pick out PQ difference. Inside of 8' absolutely you can but much further out it would be real tough. Where I saw the biggest difference was on football broadcast but when you have different network sources its not the greatest comparison.
     

Share This Page