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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by jws21, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Feb 9, 2012 #1 of 30
    jws21

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    I had a install scheduled for today with D*TV and it was scrapped due to No LOS.

    What's the chance of getting a signal with Dish instead. I was told by the D*tv techs not as good cause Dish's sats sit lower ?
     
  2. Feb 9, 2012 #2 of 30
    Davenlr

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    Their three sats: 155 degrees at 37 elevation, 170 degrees at 40 elevation, and 177 at 40.5.

    DirecTv sats are 208,210 and 213 degrees at 35.7 elevation in Erie, PA.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2012 #3 of 30
    satcrazy

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    Great...
    Well, yes, they are technically correct, what is blocking the signal? I'm in your area and have a pole mount and used it for both sat companies. According to the "dish" installer direct is higher in the sky.
     
  4. Feb 9, 2012 #4 of 30
    James Long

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    All of the satellites are at the same height above the equator, the difference being the location along the equator making them appear at a higher or lower position on the horizon from the perspective of user at the install site. The key being that the path between the user and the satellite being clear.

    "Too low" is a more common complaint ... with dishes blocked by more distant trees or buildings that one cannot aim over. I don't usually think of "too high" as being a problem.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2012 #5 of 30
    tampa8

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    Are you comparing Dish Western ARC or Dish Eastern ARC? I don't profess to know for sure but it seems like Dish Eastern ARC would be higher than the Direct sats?
     
  6. Feb 9, 2012 #6 of 30
    Davenlr

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    tampa8, if you look above at my numbers for where the OP lives, the lowest Dish sat is 2 degrees higher than the Directv sats. The only gotcha, is Directv is only a 4 degree spread, where Dish requires a 16 degree spread, which would be much more difficult to find a space in the woods for.
     
  7. Feb 9, 2012 #7 of 30
    tampa8

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    Ok, and that's 61.5 and 72? (Assuming his locals in HD are on the EA)
     
  8. Feb 9, 2012 #8 of 30
    Davenlr

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    No idea, I was just answering his question. I know nothing about what is on what Dish satellite. I have DirecTv. Last I read, Dish used 61.5, 72, and 77.
     
  9. Feb 9, 2012 #9 of 30
    tampa8

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    No, for most markets no longer 77. In fact they are coming out with a two LNB dish for the EA.
     
  10. Davenlr

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    Ok, thanks. Ill keep that info stored away for future reference.
     
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    Great...
    Well, obviously the dish installer gave me incorrect info. lol.

    It is west arc for locals, if that helps.
     
  12. Davenlr

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    West arc from the midwest would lower for Dish.
     
  13. jws21

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    So according to all this technical jargon, Dish's sats are higher but further apart which is good and bad.

    Thanks for the info. wonder if it's worth a shot to place an order for Dish or would I waste their time too. As i told the D*tv guys they don't offer site surveys or I would have had one prior to the order. they understood....
     
  14. James Long

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    You know your property better than we do. If when you look west-south west you see a lot of obstructions then you'll probably have trouble with getting DISH (Erie PA is on Western Arc, which would be closer to the western horizon than DirecTV). DISH's Eastern Arc would not provide you locals, so you would need OTA reception.

    I hate to waste an installer's time, but if you believe there is a chance give them a call. You might want to find a local dealer who does their own install. Some of them are more creative than corporate sent installers (including the installers you get when ordering from a dealer who doesn't do their own installs).
     
  15. Davenlr

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    That is screwed up James. Erie PA on the Western Arc? Do they put Sacramento on the Eastern Arc? :) I thought the whole point was to allow various parts of the country to have the best possible look angle. 129 from PA is about as low as you can go.
     
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    Screwy or not, that is where Erie's locals are.
     
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    It's about as screwy as Miami being on Western Arc (and not Eastern Arc).
     
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    I would give it a try. Some installers are pretty creative with getting a signal. However, I would wait until the leaves are back on the trees before ordering because sometimes installers will point a dish directly at a tree and it will work perfectly until the spring.
     
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    Great...
    Good point, but that would put the guy into sometime in april.

    There was an installer in the yellow pages in this area who was agreeable to a site survey no charge, I just can't remember the name. I would call around to get one done, because believe me when I say cable service in this area is the pits.

    good luck!
     
  20. jws21

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    Yep, waiting for the leaves would be atleast april but who knows this yr....

    I contacted one local installer and with an order they'll take a look. Doubt anyone does prior too but I could be wrong.
     

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