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Dish AutoHop vs Networks Commercial Skipping Discussion

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by phrelin, May 15, 2012.

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  1. Ray C@DISH Network

    Ray C@DISH Network DISH Representative DISH Representative

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    Auto Hop does not remove commercials from the recordings. When a program is selected with the RED Kangoroo in the upper right hand corner, a box appears asking if you want to enable the feature, so the choice is yours if you want to watch commercials or not. If you select NO you can watch all the commercial you want. Thanks.

     
  2. SayWhat?

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    They still are. I watch and record a number of broadcast stations and their subchannels and skip commercials at will without paying a dime for any of them.
     
  3. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    OTA? Maybe, but you're still paying for networks in your overall bill........
     
  4. Laxguy

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    That point has been made many times already, and please trim what you quote to what's relevant.
     
  5. jdskycaster

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    ^Correct. They are only free to those with only an antenna. Everyone else is paying something for them.
     
  6. Herdfan

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    Because putting on a shirt takes "X" amount of time whether or not it has a logo or not. Watching 40 minutes of show that take 60 because of commercials is the difference. The advertising is not bad, the time it takes is.

    I am starting to understand Charlie's point. Why should customers have to pay to receive a signal via satellite or cable that is free OTA? So to punish the networks and affiliates for making customers pay for something that should be free, he developed Auto-Hop. Good for him.
     
  7. SayWhat?

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    So, get an antenna. That way you get all the sub-channels and other minor channels not carried by the satellite and cable companies.

    You don't HAVE to pay for the networks.
     
  8. SayWhat?

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    That goes into another thread we've seen here many times. Just ban retransmission fees and get it over with.
     
  9. RasputinAXP

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    No they're not. They're available for free OTA, but Dish pays retrans fees to at least one station in my market.
     
  10. domingos35

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    i don't think dish will have any problems winning this case in court
     
  11. sigma1914

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    Why?
     
  12. Marlin Guy

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    You are probably used to 30 second "slip" on DirecTV. It's similar to Dish's 60x FFWD, only in regulated 30 second bursts. That and auto-correct were two things that really annoyed me about my DriecTV DVR.
    Dish has always had true skip function. You don't see anything during the skip. It simply jumps ahead in time instantly. They also don't do auto-correct, Thank God!
     
  13. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Quite a bit seems to annoy you! DIRECTV® has a 30 Skip but you have to enable it via entering a keyword.

    I find it easier to use FF 3 and with a tiny bit of skill, land it exactly where I want, be it a .5, 1, 2, 3, 3.5 etc. commercial block.
     
  14. Marlin Guy

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    And how many everyday users know about that little song and dance?
    http://www.weaknees.com/hr20-tips.php
     
  15. Laxguy

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    2,788,498 though there's neither song nor dance....:nono2:
     
  16. phrelin

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    Actually, the consistency of broadcast ratings is in decline. This year NBC had a number of decent-to-good shows get terrible ratings. Fox and ABC struggle more than they used to. CBS may be the winner, but the pot has gotten smaller. And The CW....

    I've posted this before, but IMHO if satellite/cable would be allowed to deliver directly broadcast network content consistent with time zones, ratings would not change and the networks would make more money by not sharing ad revenue with locals. Local channels would instantly lose their entitlement status and would have to offer desirable content to survive.

    In most DMA's we would likely see two or three channels offering network content on sub channels for OTA folks.
     
  17. Stewart Vernon

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    Another thing worth mentioning...

    I don't think Dish is doing anything illegal. I think they were very careful about this... so I don't think the networks will be able to win anything in court.

    However... IF Dish does (as I expect) win this in court... then as I said earlier, it spells something of an end to commercial broadcast TV because the other satellite and cable companies will soon follow suit most likely if customers demand this... and then the networks will be unable to sell commercial time for what they do today.

    The networks will have to look elsewhere for that money... and that means your and my pockets!

    This commercial skipping thing will not be free to us... mark my words.

    You want the end of commercials... be careful what you ask for... you might just get it.
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    ENGLEWOOD, CO -- (Marketwire) -- 05/25/12 -- DISH (NASDAQ: DISH) filed a lawsuit in defense of its AutoHop™ commercial-skipping feature after threats from broadcasters and responded to subsequent suits filed against it late Thursday by CBS, FOX and NBC.

    The following statements can be attributed to Dave Shull, senior vice president of Programming for DISH:

    "The lawsuits filed by the networks essentially argue that 'consumers must watch commercials.' We find that proposition absurd and profoundly anti-consumer."

    "Customers have been skipping commercials since the birth of the remote control, and the networks are arguing against that fact. Taken to the extreme, will the networks next ask consumers to stop changing channels?"

    "Collectively, the networks reap billions in retransmission fees -- fees that are reflected in subscribers' growing bills. For their money, consumers deserve to use content they pay for as they wish."

    "AutoHop needs to be put in perspective: the majority of our viewers watch their primetime shows live or during the same evening -- the time that is most valuable to advertisers. We chose to incorporate AutoHop as a next day feature and only if enabled by the consumer."

    About DISH
    DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH), through its subsidiary DISH Network L.L.C., provides approximately 14.071 million satellite TV customers, as of March 31, 2012, with the highest quality programming and technology with the most choices at the best value, including HD Free for Life. Subscribers enjoy the largest high definition lineup with more than 200 national HD channels, the most international channels, and award-winning HD and DVR technology. DISH Network Corporation's subsidiary, Blockbuster L.L.C., delivers family entertainment to millions of customers around the world. DISH Network Corporation is a Fortune 200 company. Visit www.dish.com.
     
  19. TBoneit

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    I think for that to fly the networks would need to hold the copyright to the commercial?

    As I remember several brands had a system where you could could manually put a chapter mark onto the tape that you could skip to when playing back.

    Not very automatic TBO.

    It was my understanding that they lost indirectly.

    To be able to edit the "Objectionable" content they have to violate the DMCA that makes it illegal to defeat Copy protection /DRM.

    So I don't see how they can do it legally.

    I am waiting to see the fallout from autohop.
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    I just posted a new press release from Dish... and I think Dish is stepping into a mess here with the quotes from their VP of Programming.

    Consider:

    "For their money, consumers deserve to use content they pay for as they wish."

    So... one might just as well ask why can't Dish Sling customers use the Slingplayer software on their PC and Mac to Sling? Why do we have to use their Web site or mobile app? Why can't we "use content" that we "pay for" as we wish?

    Also... Why can't we play our external hard drive content on our PCs? After all, we are paying for that content too, right?

    Making that kind of a blanket statement about customers while already restricting (sometimes for logical and understood reasons) the use of the content makes Dish look a little foolish in my opinion.

    They can't take a "let the consumer use content as they wish" stance when they are not in fact pushing this fully themselves.
     
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