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Dish AutoHop vs Networks Commercial Skipping Discussion

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by phrelin, May 15, 2012.

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  1. Mike Bertelson

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    True but the ad sale issues is the potential net effect. Even if it isn’t, advertisers will certainly try to use the potential, real or not, as leverage. I will bet the networks, including national channel broadcasters, will try to head that potential off with everything they’ve got.

    IOW, the net effect is the broadcasters will act as if it is real.
    I think what will factually happen is irrelevant. It may not be factual but how the broadcasters react is a very real effect whether or not it has a real cause. It’s gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.
    I do occasionally watch a commercial. I really like the Hopper commercials...”meatloaf, and some beers” !rolling

    Most times I don’t intentionally watch commercials but we do let the commercials run while we use the bathroom, get a snack, answer the phone, etc.
    We usually watch last night’s recordings tonight while tonight’s shows are recording. The compelling-ness has nothing to do with it. ;)

    Mike
     
  2. Jhon69

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    Now that I have thought about it more it would probably need PTAT to work.

    I know I would not use it on my 922/wMT2 as I like to skim through the commercials,stopping only when I see something that interest me.

    Plus there's the little fact that I schedule all my network recordings OTA which allows me more recording options for satellite channels.:)
     
  3. Jhon69

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    That is true but we all know who the networks will blame for a reduction in advertisement sales.Where PTAT is a plus for the 4 networks,AutoHop will be seen as a minus there's also the fact we can already skip through commercials so why risk it?.:confused:

    Guess Charlie and Joe like the drama,or they don't care and want to drop the networks? I have no idea.I'm confused.:confused::confused::confused:
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    I can't believe Dish would stop with just the big 4... If they win the court battle (and they should)... I see no reason why Dish wouldn't extend this commercial-skipping to other LiLs besides the big 4, OTA, and other commercial satellite channels.

    Right from the Dish press release about the lawsuit we have Dish saying that networks shouldn't be able to force you to watch commercials... that statement right there applies to any commercial channel... not just the ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX currently supported by AutoHop.

    If this feature sticks, no way it only gets used for just those 4 channels.

    Meanwhile... the notion that it doesn't matter because of waiting until the next day. The problem with that is, there is a new thing here different from just DVRing in the past.

    Give the average viewer a choice to watch now live and have to watch commercials OR DVR and watch tomorrow and have the receiver automatically skip all the commercials with one touch of the button. Don't you imagine more live TV viewers will make that choice?

    People that already DVR because of scheduling conflicts or wanting to watch more shows that come on the same time... those people already DVR to watch tomorrow but still watch some things live. Give them the option of AutoHop if only they will wait until tomorrow and you can bet a lot of people will change their schedule to allow that.

    So... Dish is, in effect, not just allowing you to skip commercials easier... Dish is providing direct incentive for you NOT to watch live even if you are home and want to watch TV. Dish is saying "just wait a few hours" and then watch...

    I keep beating the drums, and most aren't listening... but this will only end badly for consumers. Dish should win the lawsuits... but channel prices will go up and we will all pay more. Mark that down with a pen.
     
  5. Jhon69

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    Well Stewart over at the other place the rumor coming out is DISH is going to let the genie out of the bottle soon,so I take that to mean AutoHop for all recordings on the Hopper,guess they want to throw more crap in the fan.;):D

    At least with DISH there's never a dull moment!.;)
     
  6. James Long

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    Once upon a time DVRing was a new thing ... a way to watch programs AS they recorded - start a few minutes late and still see the whole show skipping the commercials. Make your own commercial breaks.

    If broadcasters had their way DVRs would work like Hulu ... you can skip the program but not the commercials. Perhaps that will be the compromise here. Instead of jumping from just after the break begins to just before the break ends DISH will insert a commercial that pays the local broadcaster for the program. If you fast forward through the show your playback will stop at the commercial breaks and you'll have to watch the commercial to continue.

    That is what broadcasters want, isn't it? And even before DISH introduced AutoHOP broadcasters wanted $1 per subscriber per month regardless of if the subscriber watched their channel. And next renewal, AutoHOP or not, they would want more.

    There must be a balance between what broadcasters want and what viewers want. If there isn't at some point the viewers are going to leave the broadcasters and the content will move to cable channels.

    The more broadcasters do that is anti-consumer, such as charging a large monthly fee for their programming or working to require commercial viewing, the more the broadcasters themselves lose.

    (Yes, I know people are not required to watch commercials ... that is only the broadcaster's dream ... but if people can incorrectly portray AutoHOP as "deleting" commercials it is only fair to portray the opposite of that argument as forced commercial viewing. Especially when content providers are already forcing - as much as they can - commercial viewing online.)
     
  7. Jhon69

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    Well it looks like DISH needs to tell the good ole boys down at the NAB that DISH has decided to use the National Network feeds for everybody or nobody and take it to the Supreme Court if they have to.Then put up all these extra HD channels that need to be put up on satellite because if DISH did that it would free up alittle bandwith.;):D

    Everyone start your over the air antennas!.
     
  8. Stewart Vernon

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    I wonder which genie will that be?

    AutoHop for all channels? AutoHop for all Dish receivers? Maybe both?

    That's the thing... as cool as this feature sounds (I don't have a Hopper so I have to read the forums for the coolness) I don't know what to root for. If I got the feature on my 922 it would be cool... but I also fear the ramifications.

    Those who watched "Once Upon a Time" this season on ABC will appreciate the quote...

    "Magic always comes with a price."

    :)
     
  9. phrelin

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    I hope it's not going to be a major firmware/software change on my 722. It takes forever to fix the things they screw up while adding a feature.

    But it would be nice if they put it on the 922 as many users feel abandoned.:sure:
     
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    if dish wins this court battle they will have the upper hand in the next contract negotiations.
     
  11. Jhon69

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    Don't know why they should now,I have Blockbuster@Home on my 922 with S118,I thought that was the biggest complaint,also DISH has been updating my channel logos in my EPG.:)
     
  12. Jhon69

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    Yes it does.if I got the AutoHop on my 922 I would not use it because I like to"skim" through the commercials because if I see something that interest me I stop to watch it.:)

    But if DISH wanted me to beta test it, I'd do it.;)
     
  13. TBoneit

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    As I'm jumping through the commercials not the day the shows are broadcast.
    It is amazing how many seem to be teasers for the news broadcast or shows coming up that same day. If I had a hopper I could at least watch the Prime Time shows that they are teasing. And Yes I'd probably use a 30 second skip rather than Autohop. How else can I learn about new shows that are coming up?
     
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    Just browse the AVS plasma forums.

    The stations could display their logo every half hour for thirty seconds to solve this. 99% of the time I know what station I'm watching:bang
     
  15. Doug Brott

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    A long time ago in the early days of TV (1990s :p), that was the case. Apparently all of the networks see a need to watermark their broadcasts.
     
  16. Laxguy

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    Or put up persistent crawls or plaques... but at least few, if any, are bright white, and plasmas within the last few years have few if any problems with image persistence. phrelin put in some good links on this.
     
  17. phrelin

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    I started a thread in an area that is not specific to Dish Disney/ESPN/ABC: Where Investor Dreams Come True. In it I note that Disney's CEO took a shot at Auto Hop asserting he believes their legal case is a winner. I also note that when combined Iger's various statements add up to a philosophy that seems to say viewers are the customers of cable/satellite companies. Disney/ESPN/ABC's customers are cable/satellite companies, so viewers are not of concern to the Disney/ESPN/ABC organizations.
     
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    sregener

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    It's actually more complex than that. As far as the paid networks are concerned, there are two customers: the cable/satellite companies and the advertising agencies. Viewers are, in effect, the product they are selling to the advertisers, and the programming is what they are selling to the cable/satellite companies. In both cases, if they fail to provide content that appeals to viewers, they have no product to sell.
     
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    harsh

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    What about AutoHop makes you think it is inextricably tied to PTA?

    I can't see any kind of tie (other than both require a certain amount of post-processing).
     
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    Laxguy

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    It's quite possible that some hand encoding will need to be done, if not now, in the future when networks mess with the tags that show where commercials are. Thus a delay, thus more work to expand it.
     
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