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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 4, 2012 #481 of 1922
    Shades228

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    I don't know about being nasty. DIRECTV dealt with Fox in a similar manner and I think it cost them the PR battle much like this is with DISH.
     
  2. Jun 4, 2012 #482 of 1922
    mdavej

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    I don't know how nasty that one got, but it was only days, maybe a week, before the contract expired. My point is this is highly unusual, so there is much more to it than renewal costs. In fact Dish has already shifted their position in recent facebook posts. They no longer state that the channels were moved due to poor ratings, rather AMC wants them to pay for other low rated channels as well (presumably We, IFC, etc.), which they don't want to buy. Since no one is buying their other bogus excuses, they're floating this one for the first time. Every network tries to bundle their unpopular channels with the popular ones. There is no logical reason to single out AMC for bundling, just like there is no logical reason to single them out for ratings or alternate delivery methods. None of these hold water.

    It will be interesting to see what creative thing they come up with next.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2012 #483 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    I think Dish has an ulterior motive here. That being... AMC says "we deserve more money because we are popular"... Dish says "only on Sunday nights, the rest of the week nobody watches you"...

    A slick move here by moving the channels and then logging the responses to see how many Dish customers actually notice and complain. IF that number is low, then Dish knows they are right and uses that against AMC claims of how popular their channels are.

    I'm willing to bet that outside of AMC itself, the other 3 channels get barely noticed as having been moved by the larger non-DBSTalk-forum customer base.

    I also bet nobody notices AMC until the next time their popular shows are scheduled to come on... so outside of these online minority of customers like you or I... I bet Dish CSRs field very few calls on this channel move.

    I don't think that will help AMC at all if that proves to be true.
     
  4. Jun 5, 2012 #484 of 1922
    phrelin

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    I don't know how many of Dish's 14 million customers subscribe to tiers above AT120, but I have to believe it would be at least a third. That's 4.6 million. At 25¢ a month ... well, you do the math. It does seem like a lot of cash gets into the Sunday collection plate. Are the sermons really that good?

    One problem is that there are four Rainbow Media stations - AMC, IFC, WE tv, and Sundance Channel. Genuinely decent creative programming on all of them wouldn't fill the 1,100 hours a year one of these stations has to fill in the evenings. Why exactly are there four? Would we suffer if the original evening programming currently on these channels was shifted to just one?

    As some of you know, I write reviews of "Mad Men", perhaps my favorite show. I'll be happy to pay $26 to stream the 13 episodes each season for the next two years. In fact there are three shows total on AMC I'll pay for.

    In the meantime, we Americans need to see some serious thought given to the whole hundreds of cable channels thing and to the role of broadcast networks.
     
  5. Jun 5, 2012 #485 of 1922
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    I believe Dish has made their decision and have done so a couple weeks ago. The downloadable channel guides were changed on 5/17 with the AMC channels being omitted. So much for giving customers warning for known network cancelling.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2012 #486 of 1922
    sregener

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    I think we could live with fewer channels if everyone had a DVR. Many of these channels air the same programs over and over again. However, what I don't think we want to live with is fewer viewing options.
     
  7. Jun 5, 2012 #487 of 1922
    Mike109

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    I gave up on AMC a long time ago. Every time I watched a movie it was stretched & distorted.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2012 #488 of 1922
    SayWhat?

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    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-04/dish-s-mad-men-blackout-threatens-to-cost-amc-millions
     
  9. Jun 5, 2012 #489 of 1922
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    It seems clear the Dolan stands to lose more money here. If AMC is dropped from DISH, that contract money is gone in it's entirety to the tune of $7 million dollars per month. DISH will lose what? Maybe a few people will switch to D* or Comcast, etc, but they will not lose $7 million dollars worth of customers per month.

    The loser is Dolan and the AMC investors and the customers of DISH who really have very little say in what will happen. This situation is fast becoming like our government. It's not about what's best for the people, it's a personal "I'm going to win" or "I'm against it because you're for it" situation.
     
  10. Jun 5, 2012 #490 of 1922
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    Clearly AMC is the one with more to lose, you get that impression the minute you go on AMC facebook page/ website.

    Well then AMC cut the s#$% and stike a deal.
     
  11. Jun 5, 2012 #491 of 1922
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    There are a couple of channels these days showing up with pretty good original programing. Lifetime and A&E come to mind. Do they deserve more money? They may think so but I seriously doubt Dish will agree. Will they be next to be dumped? Time will tell but like AMC, the cost of producing original programing is a real thing. They can't do it for free. It's always a crap shoot when any channel offers a new show but it seems to me that most of the new shows offered on these channels are actually pretty good. The nice thing is that if they are not over night blockbuster successes they won't necessarily get dumped as quickly the majors do. Quite a few good shows got cancelled this year from the big four that would most likely been given more of a chance on the so called lesser channels.
     
  12. Jun 5, 2012 #492 of 1922
    SayWhat?

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    Maybe the head cheeses shouldn't take so much (money) home.
     
  13. Jun 5, 2012 #493 of 1922
    lparsons21

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    Yes, the cost of doing original programming is a real thing. But the problem overall is that the subscription costs keep going up and up, with no end in sight. Where do you draw the line? If Dish says OK and just pays whatever they all want to ask and passes that cost on to us, then we bitch about the cost to watch TV. If they say, no, then we bitch when they get dropped for a bit while they fight and feud over the rates. Kind of a not-much-of-a-win for all of us, including the producers and providers.

    And the reason original shows get a longer run from the 'cable' type channels is that the audience needs for them is always smaller. What is great viewer numbers for them isn't the same as what it is for the big 4.
     
  14. Jun 5, 2012 #494 of 1922
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    Sooner or later this all becomes ripe fruit for the iTunes, Hulu Plus, Vudu, Amazon and other major streamers. They have the ability to offer these shows upon release at a la carte pricing or eventually at reasonable subscription rates. As more of this becomes available and price competition on a la carte increases, it would seem there would be more cable cutting of the top tier cable and Sat tiers. The Sirius music channels via Sat are already challenged by all of the free online music streaming sites that tailor the music to your personal preferences. Who knows, there is always another Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Zuck on the sidelines just looking to create a paradigm change and completely change a market.
     
  15. Jun 5, 2012 #495 of 1922
    goinsleeper

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    I don't think the customer really has a 'right' to complain. They will take it upon themselves to complain but only those with stake in the company should technically have the 'right' to complain(and I mean share holders).

    Customers have the 'right' to leave the company while meeting the agreement they signed. They also have the 'right' to pay their bill as E* is still sending programming(though it may not be everything they were sending the day before).
     
  16. Jun 5, 2012 #496 of 1922
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    I wonder how much Dish pays for the CNN networks. If Dish's complaint was really about paying too much for networks with too few viewers, how do they feel about a network like CNN, which averages something like 400,000 viewers in primetime? Which is maybe a third of what AMC averages, and barely a tenth of AMC's high-rated scripted dramas.

    I'm sure there are many more examples like that. If Dish claims this is truly about subscriber fees versus ratings, let's see them lay out what they're paying for all of their channels.
     
  17. Jun 5, 2012 #497 of 1922
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    I'm not going to comment on the motives behind what E* is doing vs. what AMC is doing, and what everyone wants. Not really my place as an employee of E* to do so. But, I will say, I worked yesterday, and I took a grand total of 1 call about the moved channels.
     
  18. Jun 5, 2012 #498 of 1922
    dough_boy747

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    It's all about the money my friends lol
     
  19. Jun 5, 2012 #499 of 1922
    Paul Secic

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    I agree with you. It's just TV! People should worry about hunger, instead of a TV channel:confused:
     
  20. Jun 5, 2012 #500 of 1922
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    It is all about the money. As my provider of choice I would like Dish to look at who deserves a pay raise based on what they are offering my customers. Who among us does not want new original programing? Not crap programing but stuff that would generally appeal to most of us. I recorded "The Killing" last night and just watched it. I've never watched it before and it was very good. Good story line, excellent HD PQ, actors that I recognized. I consider myself pretty average in what I like and I think the VAST majority of people that like cop/mystery/political suspense type shows would really get into "The Killing". If Dish really thinks that AMC is not bringing enough to the table to warrant a pay hike then so be it. But they are sending a message to other companies to reign in spending on original programing and we will be the losers in the end because many new shows that we would probably like will never come to light. If a bunch of folks here would watch a few of these AMC offerings they may be surprised. I was with "The Killing".
     
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