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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 11, 2012 #641 of 1922

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    If Dish is being "stupid", I think it comes more from the lingering bad taste of the Voom fiasco. Any doubt about that? Look at the web page they've put up about how "bad AMC is acting". "What it's really about" leads in with the Voom situation.

    Beyond that, probably no one on this board can really know how well or poorly it's being handled internally.
  2. Jun 11, 2012 #642 of 1922

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Or to say it another way, proof their popularity is tied only to a couple shows. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the negotiations room when they where actually trying to negotiate.

    Amc... We have awsome programing...

    Dish (or anyone else)... You mean you have an awsome program...

    Amc... No programing, one program repeated over and over makes us popular....

    Dish... We have DVRs for that....
  3. Jun 11, 2012 #643 of 1922

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Yeah, but taking chances on a couple shows, does that really translate to getting paid like channels like TNT and USA, that take ten times the chances and offer ten times the programing or more? It's all relative, and rainbow has always seemed to think their chances are more expensive and should be better compensated than most others who do the same amount.

    The only thing I'd say dish has done poorly is change the channels and screwed up peoples recordings while they still have the channel. There really isn't much point in what they did.

    I wonder who the next carrier to do this is Going to be though.
  4. Jun 11, 2012 #644 of 1922

    fishhead65 Mentor

    Oct 16, 2003
    understood...but a simple notice on the program guide "this channel is moving or has been moved to blah blah blah" maybe they did ...but i didn't see it. nevertheless...i cant go without my NY sports AND AMC so I have no option but to leave DISH:( ...i will miss WFN tho!

  5. Jun 11, 2012 #645 of 1922

    fishhead65 Mentor

    Oct 16, 2003
    well said Ina! they may only a have few shows, BUT IMO, all more creative and cutting edge than the sea of reality show crap out there!

  6. Jun 11, 2012 #646 of 1922

    Jaspear Godfather

    May 16, 2004
    Everything is relative. I can't think of a single show on TNT or USA that takes a chance on anything; nothing that rises above predictable run-of-the-mill stuff you can find anywhere, including most of what airs on the OTA networks. So yeah, if you have programming that clearly rises above the mediocre, you do have a case for a rate adjustment at contract renewal time

    They did it as retaliation for the obnoxious crawl AMC ran in the programming. That point was received exactly where DISH wanted it to be received.
  7. Jun 11, 2012 #647 of 1922

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    By taking chances you mean, taking a chance on the idea that viewers wouldnt notice money cuts on top shows like the walking dead?
    If it didnt get cut the second season would have had the crew at the prison by the second portion of the season, Shane would probably be dead alot sooner and they wouldnt stick to cliched drama stories through out most of the season (lori, carl, andrea being retarded).

    In the comic they spent less then 2 issues at the farm, the whole part of the series between the camp and the prison was to show how difficult it was to live on the move, having an entire camp of people cramped into 1 RV (there only vehicle in the comic). The second season entirely missed this and because of it the importance of the Prison, why Rick goes insane and many other things will be entirely lost on the TV audience.
    Not to mention since there barely finding the Prison and "The Governor" has already been confirmed I can promise you there going to blaze right through the prison, straight to woodburry and completely ruin one of the most significant story arcs in the entire comic series.
  8. Jun 11, 2012 #648 of 1922

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

    Jan 23, 2008
    As long as what happens at the end of the prison storyline happens, I honestly don't care.

    And yeah, the money issue on TWD was clearly obvious this season from the moment they fired Darabont.
  9. Jun 11, 2012 #649 of 1922

    bnewt Godfather

    Oct 2, 2003
    If that is the basis for carrying any channel...........how do any survive. FX, BET, LOGO, MAVTV, HDNET, imo are all in the same situation. I do watch AMC. I like the older movies, + I like to watch the 3 stooges. They were my favorite as a kid & I still get a laugh out of them.
  10. Jun 11, 2012 #650 of 1922

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    Im still kind of peeved that there hasn't been any hints, or mentions of Tyrese showing up in the Tv series, I feel like a lot of the weight that the Prison Arc carries will be lost without Tyrese present in the show.
    Ill be even more peeved if they try to use T-Dog as his replacement.

    And agreed if they can pull off the end of the Arc well (I.E. AMC green lights Kirkmans "I dont care who dies" spin) then it will be good. Im just afraid to see what they come up with before the end, if Season 3 is cliched and silly as Season 2 I dont think ill be able to watch it.
  11. Jun 11, 2012 #651 of 1922

    StringFellow AllStar

    Jan 5, 2012
    Disagree. First, rate increases are based on viewership and ad sponsorship.. You could have the best programs, but if no one watches them there is no justification for a rate increase.

    Also, what happens if those top tier shows get cancel right after a contract renewal? Actors get greedy and viewership can drop, which are the reasons shows get cancelled.

    You opinion regarding the criteria for rate increases is flawed.
  12. Jun 11, 2012 #652 of 1922

    62Lincoln Mentor

    Jan 25, 2006
    Not tweaking your nose here, just making an observation. I pay $14 a month for HBO, and watch it in exactly the manner you describe above. I simply don't have enough viewing hours to watch nonstop - but I am able to watch HBO's "destination" programs, which is ample for me and my wife.

    AMC has been able to carve a similar niche with its destination programs: Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, etc.. We find ourselves watching those programs in the same manner as the HBO programs. That is adequate unto itself for the amount of time we have.

    I will drop DISH if they don't resolve the issue with AMC.
  13. Jun 11, 2012 #653 of 1922

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    I watch HBO and Showtime primarily for the series and the boxing, the movies are just a nice addition imo. Either of those have way more original programming and certainly many more movies, newer with no ads. If AMC wants to do away with ads, or go to 1/2 a movie, ad, then the last 1/2 and come up with more than 5 series in a year and wants a big rate increase, I would be conducive to that.

    Or let them be a 'premium' channel and let the user pay what they think AMC is worth. As it sits today, AMC deserves some rate increase, but nowhere near the 200% that has been bandied about.
  14. Jun 11, 2012 #654 of 1922

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    That's one of the big points here that has been brought up a number of times, but the pro-AMC gang doesn't want to touch on it.

    Suppose Dish gives in and lets AMC/Rainbow have the $1/mo or whatever they ask for. What guarantee is there that AMC/Rainbow won't cancel one or more of those series at any time? How would Dish know if any of those shows would come back at all? Or that Rainbow wouldn't drop one or more of the other three channels in dispute?

    Apparently Rainbow has a history of doing this very kind of thing and has made Dish wary of their motives and intentions.
  15. Jun 11, 2012 #655 of 1922

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
  16. Jun 11, 2012 #656 of 1922
    Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    Doesn't every network, OTA and sat/cable, have only a few popular shows? Do any of us truly believe that EVERY program on CBS, NBC, Fox, Showtime, HBO, is popular? What makes AMC different in that regard?
  17. Jun 11, 2012 #657 of 1922

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    Well on a number of other channels I can tune in any night of the week and find something that is unique and original to the network.

    That really cant be said for AMC. 5 Shows which are pretty good doesn't really cut it.
  18. Jun 11, 2012 #658 of 1922

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Wonder if AMC would agree to a performance clause? If any of the 5 'acclaimed' shows are cancelled within the duration of the Dish/Rainbow contract, Rainbow would be required to refund the increase in total retroactive to the signing date.

    Ha! Yeah, right!!
  19. Jun 11, 2012 #659 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    If you extrapolate to the extreme, you aren't wrong... but AMC only has a few shows and they pretty much all air on Sunday nights (when they do air)... and it sure seems like nobody watches AMC very much the rest of the time, including fans of those shows who didn't notice until Sunday night that AMC had been moved!

    Meanwhile... the "big 4" have primetime shows every night of the week except Saturdays usually... and have other programming during the day that gets watched too.

    Everything isn't mega-popular on any channel... but being honest, AMC can't say they are trying really hard when they only have a few shows that they rotate through on one night of the week.

    Think about it this way... Remember UPN and the WB? Those OTA networks had some primetime M-F but only could muster a few really popular shows... and those networks basically folded and re-emerged as a unified CW... and CW isn't doing that much better to be frank.

    So... if you like Supernatural (I do) would you think the CW should get to triple their rates to be carried? the CW actually has more original programming than AMC and airs more of this programming on more nights of the week... and personally last season I watched more CW shows since I also watched Ringer on the CW... whereas on AMC I was only watching the Walking Dead.

    But I wouldn't argue in favor of the CW getting to double their rates either.

    USA has a lot of syndicated stuff... and way more original shows that I watch right now (Psych, Covert Affairs, Suits jump to mind)... TNT has Leverage, The Closer, Rizzoli & Isles, Franklin & Bash, and probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting.

    Syfy is going in the wrong direction. I like Eureka, but the final season is airing now. I like Warehouse 13 too, but I have to think it is close to the home stretch with Syfy bailing on Eureka. Been DVRing Lost Girl but have head mixed reviews so don't know about that one.

    Syfy and AMC are really close to having the same value to me (one show, one night, for about 13 weeks of the year).... and by "value" I mean not much.

    Channels that try to cheap out and not spend their money on quality, and cancel shows (or try to be difficult with them as is the case with AMC) that people like... well, those channels aren't high on my "I'll be mad if Dish dropped them" list.

    I like sports... but I don't like baseball. I like basketball and football primarily. Right now, while I'm on DBSTalk... my tv is on ESPN and a baseball game is airing. Let me repeat, I don't like baseball.

    I will be watching Eureka at 9pm tonight... but right now I don't have my tv on Syfy... nor do I have it on AMC. I have it on ESPN where something is airing that I don't care for (baseball)... and I find that to be the case more than I ever find myself leaving it on Syfy or AMC after a show airs that I like.

    I also leave my tv on TBS or TNT or Cartoon Network extended periods... because I find other things I like. Sometimes BBC America as well.

    Where I don't linger beyond the show I watch that I like... AMC, Syfy, and similar channels.
  20. Jun 11, 2012 #660 of 1922

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    I am an avid "Mad Men" fan as many know. But with that said, let's don't overstate what AMC has accomplished in original series. Here's what they list on their web site:

    Scripted Series:
    1. Mad Men began 5/3/07, season 5 just ended 6/10/12, renewed for two more seasons
    2. Breaking Bad - began 1/27/08, season 5 begins 7/15/2012
    3. Rubicon - began 6/13/10, not renewed for second season
    4. The Walking Dead - began 10/31/10, renewed for season 3
    5. The Killing - began 4/3/11, season 2 final episode will air next Sunday 6/17/2012
    6. Hell on Wheels - began 11/6/11, season 2 begins 8/12/2012

    Reality Shows:
    1. Comic Book Men - Season 1 began 2/12/12 and has been renewed
    2. The Pitch - Season 1 began April 8 and likely will not be renewed
    3. Small Town Security - Season 1 will begin July 15, 2012

    1. Broken Trail 2006
    2. The Prisoner 2009

    Both Fox and NBC have cancelled more shows than these in the last couple of years.:sure:
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