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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 17, 2012 #741 of 1922
    James Long

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    The reward of buying a higher tier is the additional specialty channels.

    Take AT120, add $5 and one gets their local RSNs. Add $10 more and one gets 40 more channels, 29 of them available in HD. Another $10 nets 40 more channels, 17 of them available in HD.

    Most DISH customers subscribe to AT200 ... but there is a level down and a level up for those who want to save a few dollars or get a few more channels. If you are willing to pay for a higher tier you are rewarded by dozens of channels.

    The people who are penalized are those who are NOT willing to pay for a higher tier who miss out on a channel that they may like, not those who are willing to pay.
     
  2. Jun 17, 2012 #742 of 1922
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    except that both of these are included in the package that I already pay for. So what is the next option..........I'm sure a price reduction is not one of them!!!!!!!!



    Don't agree with the online thing.........it might work ok for the younger generation, but the older folks will not understand this type of set up...most of them have a hard enough time using a dvd recorder + the fact that there are still many areas that do not have high speed internet service.
     
  3. Jun 17, 2012 #743 of 1922
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    Not in the case of AMC. Those who are paying for a higher tier to watch AMC are the same ones who will lose it.
     
  4. Jun 17, 2012 #744 of 1922
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    Why? It is not free if you stream it from Amazon. I'm sure Dish rather not lose a customer to Amazon if they can offer the same thing for similar cost.
     
  5. Jun 17, 2012 #745 of 1922
    James Long

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    There will still be 39 other channels in the tier. If the tier isn't worth the money to you without AMC drop the tier. I'm paying for the tier AMC is in for other channels.

    The issue of carriage deals still has to be solved. Amazon has permission to resell the programming ... DISH would have to get permission to resell the programming. If Rainbow/AMC has anything to say about it DISH won't get permission unless they also carry the AMC channel. That is how they roll.
     
  6. Jun 18, 2012 #746 of 1922
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    Yes, I'm considering that option depending on how things works out. I suspect there may be a fair number of tier droppers if AMC is lost
     
  7. Jun 18, 2012 #747 of 1922
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    Last night I watched the finale of "The Killing". As of this morning I dropped to the AT120 tier. I feel richer already.:sure:
     
  8. Jun 18, 2012 #748 of 1922
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    Great...
    I could be wrong, but Dish is all about "package" offerings, and this borders ala carte. IMO.

    Not to say this is a bad idea.
     
  9. Jun 18, 2012 #749 of 1922
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    I was just thinking older AMC series could be streamed via BB@home.. but as mentioned, it could still be a conflict.
     
  10. Jun 18, 2012 #750 of 1922
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    Michigan....
    I feel screwed by this choice. I have a two hoppers, two joeys, and a two year contract. A contract that isn't worth the electronic ink it's written on. When I went to satellite TV it was because the local cable provider didn't offer Speed.

    Now, six years later I (we) are once again embroiled in something we should NEVER have happen: Petty arguments which are best kept private between the arguing parties. If Dish goes through with dropping AMC, I will gladly stream The Walking Dead online, but I will cancel Dish at the end of my two year contract. I am sick this stuff. Since the Hopper came out three months ago, I have been without EHD use amid the constant promise legacy EHD's will be fixed. It's nearly summer, are we any closer to a fully meshed viewing environment? Nope. And now another petty argument.

    I'm a level headed guy, but what Dish and AMC are doing is just plain wrong. It hurts the viewers. It's wrong.

    Scott
     
  11. Jun 18, 2012 #751 of 1922
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    In their statements to the press after this issue hit the fan a few weeks ago, Dish actually encouraged people to just switch to watching AMC's programming on Amazon or iTunes. So they would definitely rather lose customers than pay more to AMC. It's so short-sighted. They have to know their business model is toast once streaming becomes more ubiquitous and user-friendly. I pointed that out in my email to Dish, but of course the point wasn't addressed in their canned response.

    (It's so pathetic; the first line of Dish's email response to me said, "We value your business and the opportunity to discuss this situation with you", and yet the rest of the email just repeats the same statements they've made elsewhere, and doesn't address one point in my email. So much for "valuing" the discussion with me.)
     
  12. Jun 18, 2012 #752 of 1922
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    Anyone notice that the scrawl at the bottom of AMC's picture changed a few days ago? Now it's says something like, thanks for the overwhelming support, but Dish isn't listening to you, so go ahead and switch to DirectTV or cable.

    I'd say there's probably a less than 10% chance this dispute gets resolved. AMC looks to be a goner.
     
  13. Jun 18, 2012 #753 of 1922
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    Off-topic, but:

    1. My EHD worked perfectly fine, and I transferred 95% of what I had without issue. I'm not aware of any problems with the EHD's other than long fsck times on boot for drives full of programming.

    2. Summer has barely started. They said "summer" not "June."

    I mean, really.
     
  14. Jun 18, 2012 #754 of 1922
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    I had not heard that, one thing to drive the knife in, now to twist it.
    Despite all the reasoning and rationalization on the part of Dish and it's supporters, it does come down to screwing the consumer, taking something away while offering no real compensation in return.
    I am preparing to jump down a couple of tiers, at least 120+ and get my other kicks via streaming, etc. and if I can't get it conveniently at my TV, then eventually change providers.
    I thought BB@home was a smart move, and I never liked Blockbuster, but after Netflix's last big poke in the rear, it suddenly looked pretty good when linked with Dish.
    The same goes for the Hopper/Joey system. Quite pleased and settled in with that now. I guess this is what I get for getting too comfortable.
     
  15. Jun 18, 2012 #755 of 1922
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    Sad, but true. This was from an adWeek article:“[The] AMC Networks…overall have had significant declines in viewership among DISH subscribers,” the satellite provider said in a statement. DISH went on to say that the most popular AMC programming is readily available via Amazon.com, iTunes and Netflix.
     
  16. Jun 18, 2012 #756 of 1922
    James Long

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    AMC is expecting DISH to shell out as much as $750 million dollars each month so a few of their customers can watch 65 hours worth of good programming per year. It is bad enough that DISH is shelling out $250 million now for so little programming ... AMC wants more money.
    (Totals estimated based on package placement and previous posts in this thread.)

    It is certainly a lot cheaper for those who want the programming to find a legal streaming source than for DISH to pay to transmit it to millions of people who could care less about AMC - including the 65 hours a year AMC is using as leverage.
     
  17. Jun 18, 2012 #757 of 1922
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    I'm not a Dish customer yet, but I was wondering. IF they do go dark on these channels, will monthly bills decrease?
     
  18. Jun 18, 2012 #758 of 1922
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    And to think when AMC started, they were just a classic movie channel.
    I have no issue jumping down a couple of tiers, and using Amazon to pick up the series. Fire up my Roku and go to town. At least I'll save something in the long run.
     
  19. Jun 18, 2012 #759 of 1922
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    When life ceases exist as we know it, on 12/12/12
     
  20. Jun 18, 2012 #760 of 1922
    James Long

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    DISH usually "compensates" with alternate programming ... and sometimes with temporary credits depending on what channels are lost in a dispute. If the AMC channels stay gone it could make the annual price increase a little less next year.

    Providers typically do not reduce prices. Look at what happened with your current provider when Versus was off nearly seven months and G4 went away. Any price cut or did prices still go up a little each year?
     
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