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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 21, 2012 #821 of 1922
    hdaddikt

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    If you are into good drama and suspense, I find Breaking Bad a hard show to resist. Nothing flashy, no special fx, etc. just great acting and story line.
    With all I've seen and enjoyed, from premium as well as 'cable' channels, I still find great appeal in BB and look forward to the new season. Only difference will be a few bucks, depending on whether AMC is still around, or I jump down a tier or two and stream from Amazon. Gets down to a minor convenience or inconvenience.
     
  2. Jun 21, 2012 #822 of 1922
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    AMC is showing gritty, thought provoking, cutting-edge drama for a mature audience. Similar to dramas you would see on HBO and Showtime in prime-time.

    AMC doesn't care about the major network programming that has to cater to family oriented content with youngsters. This brings in the numbers but dulls the senses.

    Oh yeah. I'm still ticked at Dish for no ESPN News HD. Having to watch in SD is Nuts.
    No AMC is the Last Straw because I know there will be more cutbacks.
     
  3. Jun 21, 2012 #823 of 1922
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    Yeah, let's look at what Netflix did. They doubled the price for their existing service, from $8 to $16, overnight. Sure, they kept an $8 tier, but it only had half the value it had before. I think that's a pretty clear example of what Dish would have to do if they gave in to AMC's demands. Other channels, channels with much more original, popular programming, would demand similar increases.

    In the end, Dish would probably end up doubling or tripling the price of equivalent packages. They might be able to hold the line on the limited packages, though they'd probably have to drop some channels to do so. In other words, they'd have to make the mistake Netflix made to get Netflix-like results. They see the future, they anticipate it, and they're cutting it off now, before that future arrives.

    Perhaps you wouldn't mind if AT120+ jumped to $100/month, but I bet a lot of other people would. And they'd leave in droves. A la Netflix.
     
  4. Jun 21, 2012 #824 of 1922
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    Absolutely! Netflix's problems were started by the rate change more than any other factor by a huge margin.

    As to the 5 shows that AMC produces, it is not sure at all that the Killing will be around much anymore. I read somewhere yesterday that this season is down 20% from previous seasons. While I like it very much, I can understand that. How long can you have a show about a single crime?

    The others are all niche shows. I love Walking Dead and Hell on Wheels, and like Breaking Bad, never did like Mad Men. And I'm 68, well out of the niche demo that Walking Dead seems to cater to.
     
  5. Jun 21, 2012 #825 of 1922
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    Says you. I never used the DVD's from Netflix. As soon as they had a streaming-only option, I took it.
     
  6. Jun 21, 2012 #826 of 1922
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    Did you catch Rubicon? IMO, it was AMC's best show & I love them all. It was "too smart" for the general population who loves weekly "who done it" criminal shows.
     
  7. Jun 21, 2012 #827 of 1922
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    No I didn't catch that one. Now I'll have to buy at least one episode to see if it is something I'll like. Thanks for the recommendation.
     
  8. Jun 21, 2012 #828 of 1922
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    Give it a couple episodes ... it's kinda deep. It's one of those watch-all-in-a-row type shows.
     
  9. Jun 21, 2012 #829 of 1922
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    Looks like I'll have to dig around to even find it. iTunes has one episode, Amazon has none. And those are the two I usually go to.

    edit: oops, looks like no DVD and no streaming anywhere legal.

    http://www.amctv.com/shows/rubicon/where-to-watch
     
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    I'm 68, like the Mad Men but not to the degree of BB. HOW is great too. Pardon the acronyms. As to the Walking Dead, still one of my favorites. I may be out the demographics for TWD, or maybe just out of my mind! Have always been a horror movie addict.
    I tend to agree on the Killing.. it is about a homicide being solved v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y. Just enough suspense to keep me going. One season would had been enough. After all the rain (yeah, I know it rains a lot in Seattle but come on) and dark scenes I thought I might have to call my doc for an antidepressant. Would have been a good flick for a B&W comeback.

    I was sorry to see Rubicon cut short. Not a great series, but enough to keep my interest. Seems to be a big deal when cable shows are dropped, on the big 3 networks, it's business as usual.
     
  12. Jun 21, 2012 #832 of 1922
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    You're in for a treat. I have never once heard someone pick up Breaking Bad, and not say it's amazing. Just wait until you get to the middle of the second season, around episodes 12-14. It'll blow you away. I've never watched any series that literally made my jaw drop as many times as this one. It can get fairly graphic and intense though, if that kind of stuff bothers you...
     
  13. Jun 21, 2012 #833 of 1922
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    Stewart, you're not recognizing how the ad environment has changed. TV advertising dollars are now almost exclusively set by the 18-49 demographic. Spent a bit of time on tvbythenumbers.com, and you'll see why. Once you're 50 and over, you don't count to advertisers anymore. Even though that demographic is the wealthiest in the country, they don't spend and impulse buy, like the younger ages do.

    And by the way, ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox would KILL these days to get 9M viewers on any new show. The days of 20M viewers (even total) have passed. American Idol didn't even get 20M this season. 9M is a raging hit for the major networks today, guaranteeing renewal.
     
  14. Jun 21, 2012 #834 of 1922
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    Aren't those 15 million people the same ones the advertising agencies choose to ignore when deciding which shows to buy ad time on?
     
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    You are so right about that. NBC canceled their 2nd most poular show Harrys Law because it did not meet the 18 to 49 numbers. They had around 9 million viewers too. Their 2nd most popular show!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/harrys-law-canceled-kathy-bates_n_1510785.html

    Why are you guys even comapring broadcast TV to cable? I know a lot of people that that cut the cord and watch broadcast because its free. So please tell me what cable show gets over 9 to 10 million viewers regularly? I would say none or not many. AMC is just now getting its crap together and they put on damn good shows.
     
  16. Jun 21, 2012 #836 of 1922
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    Thanks for the tip. I just set the DVR to catch them. On my iPad Dish Remote, it doesn't tell me the episode numbers so not sure how many of them have been broadcast so far. At this point the first one I can get of BB is the May23,2010 episode. It would help if someone could tell me what episode that is so I know which ones I have to pickup on Netflix or iTunes.

    looks like I better move some old programs off onto the EHD to make room for these.
     
  17. Jun 21, 2012 #837 of 1922
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    I do not believe that the over 50s are ignored as much as some seem to think. If that is the case why am I seeing so many commercials aimed at seniors?

    COPD, that insurance ad with Alex Trebek and so on.
     
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    Do you see that many of them in prime time? I seldom see any ads these days is why I ask.
     
  19. Jun 21, 2012 #839 of 1922
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    But we have a whole other thread in this very forum where people are arguing that they don't watch commercials... so I wonder which it is? AMC gets ratings "where it counts" in the demographic that watches commercials? OR isn't that the same demographic arguing in the other thread that they don't like or watch commercials? :confused:

    Glad you asked that... because I too was wondering. I see a LOT of advertising that clearly targets the 50+ crowd... so IF that demographic isn't being counted for commercial ads... then who do they think those commercials are for?
     
  20. Jun 21, 2012 #840 of 1922
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    I've been catching up with the Breaking Bad marathon for two weeks now and it's currently in the middle of season three.

    AMC is restarting the marathon again late Thurs June 28. Beginning with the Pilot episode from Season One to the end of Season Four just in time for the new Season Five episode on Sun July 15.

    I'm watching for the first time and I'm totally hooked. Averaging around 3-4 episodes per night to keep up. Great show. My new favorite on AMC. :D

    AMC's Breaking Bad TV Schedule

    List of Breaking Bad episodes
     
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