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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Inkosaurus

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    Its not exactly easy or quick to get a brand new channel added for Dish.
    I think the fact that Dish is replacing the rainbow channels with existing channels (HDnet, ect.) helps prove that they were trying to negotiate.

    If Dish knew all along over the last several months or year that they would just straight up refuse to renew the contract with Rainbow dont you think they would have planned to get some actual new channels set up?

    Think about it ;)
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    DirecTV already has AMC in their lowest package (Entertainment).

    What channel does DISH not carry that is most like AMC?

    I don't like duplicating channels ... the placement of HDNet Movies at 130 is acceptable to move it from Blockbuster's range to a normal AT channel range. And HDNet Movies is a channel that reminds people of what AMC once was ... a movie channel.

    The best news is for SD subscribers (and yes, they exist). Getting HDNet Movies as HDNet/AXS.TV in SD is something they didn't have.

    Perhaps DISH can take the money they were spending on AMC and give Blockbuster subscribers The Smithsonian Channel. It is apparently still testing.
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    But you have bounced around a bit... here are a few quotes from your past posts which probably led James and myself to question whether or not you were accepting the notion of AMC asking Dish for more money.


    Note your use of the word "claims"... you said that as if you didn't believe this was about rates, but only about the court case which you keep bringing up (just like AMC does) and you noted you kept posting the court case on Dish's Facebook page until you were banned.

    Again, blaming the lawsuit and not the rate discussion.

    emotion rather than math? That sounds like you aren't buying the notion of a rate dispute at all.

    And the coup de grace... you quoted the AMC executive who says "it isn't about rate"... so, can you see why James and I both questioned whether you believed that AMC was asking for more money?

    I mean... you quoted what has to be a bald-faced lie (not your lie) from an AMC executive... the only reason we assume you would quote him is if you agree with his position... and so I think we were rightfully confused.

    I've always maintained that the lawsuit plays a factor in BOTH sides and how they approach the table to negotiate... but make no bones about it, IF there was a fair price on the table we wouldn't be dropping AMC tomorrow night.

    The AT&T dispute tends to confirm that since AT&T and AMC have no other lawsuit to distract them from the table... and yet, the first we even heard of a dispute was when AMC added scrolls and put it on their "keepamc" Web page.

    So, AMC seems to be the one going public and trying to mislead customers about who is to blame.
  4. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    Family is the lowest package so those customers could have access to it as well. There is also an international base package without the channel.
  5. splish

    splish AllStar

    Nov 7, 2002
    I am not seeing channels 130 or 131 on my DP301 SD receiver.
  6. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Um, this post seems to contradict itself. First you are saying that two disputes don't at all need to be about the same thing, but then you go in to say if amc is asking for something that one distributor is having an issue with, it makes sense they'd also be asking for it from another. To which I then say, why do you not think that the other company would also have an issue with that demand?

    I think that with AT&T it's all about the money, and with dish, it's a lot about the money, and a bit about voom, in more of a we don't trust you kind of way.
  7. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I'm not a Facebooker or a Twitterer... and I don't even care if that's the right way to say it! :)

    But... while the names have been changed to protect the innocent, I saw a funny post that I wish more people would send to AMC on their Facebook page:

    Random User Attention AMC, you are about to lose Random User. To keep this from happening, and to avoid losing a subscriber, call Dish now! Don't let this happen.

    The above was awesome :)

    Meanwhile... the KeepAMC Twitter feed keeps posting over and over and over "The only rate negotiation is with AT&T." which means they are continuing to deny they want more money for a new contract even whilst simultaneously having a rate dispute with AT&T that is up on the same day (today)!

    That's some arrogance, to be able to do that with any sense of seriousness by AMC.
  8. speedy4022

    speedy4022 Legend

    Jan 26, 2004
    Yeah and we all dish isn't arrogant how many lawsuits do they going right now. The real money to be made at dish is made by their lawyers.
  9. Inkosaurus

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    I don't think it has ever been implied in this thread (atleast by the active posters) that Dish isnt arrogant here or anything like that.

    We are just pointing out that in this particular case Dish is definitely the lesser of two evils.
    Especially all the shady and sleazy tactics Rainbow is using to try and tarnish Dish's name.
  10. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    You picked the provider. Remember that!;)
  11. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006

    :lol: I needed that!
  12. Inkosaurus

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    What? Rainbow definitely is being pretty shady about all of this I think stevet is the only one here would openly try and deny that.
  13. Hunter844

    Hunter844 Legend

    Apr 26, 2007
    Happy to get HD movies back...I'll take that trade.
  14. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    Yeah, all of us "250" and "everything" package people are wondering the same. We essentially lost 4 chanels [ dispute aside] and only gained one back. The rest are repeats of what we already have. Ergen is getting more for less with this deal.

    Clever guy.:bowdown:

    Since I've had hdnet, I never found much on it that was of interest to me. It's great that hdnetM is commercial free, but it looks like alot of repeats [ same movie back to back] hope the content improves.

    I think dish should come up with a better plan for the above 2 packages if they want to keep the subs content. Maybe throwing in the "Indie" channel for those of us that pay more. I don't think that's alot to ask.
  15. steveT

    steveT Legend

    Jul 12, 2002
    I just used the word "claims" because it seemed like the right grammatical word. Why would I say that in the sense that it wasn't true, when all of the rest of my posts have been based on Dish paying an extra $0.25-0.50/sub?

    I posted pretty much only the link from the WSJ (which I personally consider to just be a horrible excuse for a newspaper anyway), without any additional comments, because it was getting to the point where I was being pounded for expressing any of my own analysis. So on that one I just figured I'd post the quote and the link, and avoid the hassle. Didn't work.

    You told me before I was wasting my time even discussing any of the conversations going on at Dish's Facebook page, and people all piled on, saying Facebook was irrelevant. Now you're posting comments from AMC's Facebook page.

    But that's it for me, I'm out. I thought I could at least be a voice here on the flip side of the debate, and try to put some real analysis based on empirical data on the table. But it's not working, and it doesn't feel like a friendly debate anymore. This will be my last post. I'll be very sadly canceling Dish before the Breaking Bad premiere on July 15 anyway. And you really have no idea how sad that makes me. I've been building my system with the Dish receiver at the core for 15+ years. I loved the days when I had my distant network signals, my superstations, and I know that still today, they have by far the best DVR equipment. I'm also giving up BBCA in HD, which I'm also going to miss big time. But great scripted drama is what I care about most for my entertainment, and AMC, HBO, and Showtime are the only places left to get quality scripted drama anymore. I'll miss this forum too. I've really enjoyed coming here and learning a lot over the past 10 years.
  16. Rduce

    Rduce Legend

    May 15, 2008
  17. Rduce

    Rduce Legend

    May 15, 2008
    Just out of curiosity how many hour of programing do you regularly watch on any of the disputed channels or do you just like to bitch?
  18. hdaddikt

    hdaddikt Legend

    Jul 2, 2005
    I dropped down to the 200. I would like to see CD/Sirius as a standalone option instead of being integrated in some packages and not others. Call it the 'hotel room' option.

    Also, combine some of the Dish America packages,esp. Silver & Gold, with the other similar channel count packages.. Too much duplication and overlap, despite it's possible 'marketing advantages' to DN.

    Should be some KISS principles in play.
  19. puckwithahalo

    puckwithahalo Hall Of Fame

    Sep 2, 2007
    The Dish America packages don't really overlap. They're meant as an HD only alternative to the America's Top packages (ie, Dish America Silver is roughly the HD only equivalent of America's Top 200).

    Also, why would having fewer choices be a good thing?
  20. jdskycaster

    jdskycaster Legend

    Sep 1, 2008
    It is too bad you take the back and forth here personally. I too read your recent posts and thought you were saying this dispute is only about the lawsuit and not a rate increase.

    Regarding your switch to another provider I wish you well and hope they treat you as good or better than Dish. This has not been my experience in the past and all of the positive reasons you state for wanting to be a Dish customer in the first place would appear to more than make up for the loss of a couple of shows available through other outlets.

    Good luck and "Stay thirsty my friend.":)

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