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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jul 5, 2012 #1261 of 1922

    dunkonu23 Legend

    Sep 10, 2006
    No TWD = Bye Bye Dish when my current contract expires in 21 months... :(

  2. Jul 5, 2012 #1262 of 1922

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

    Jan 23, 2008
    "We are open to a creative proposal from AMC Networks that would resolve this situation, but at this point it looks like the channels will be down permanently. -Michael H."

    Well that's the first time they've ever said that. That ball is so hard it's made out of titanium.
  3. Jul 5, 2012 #1263 of 1922
    Jon W

    Jon W AllStar

    Jan 27, 2004
    We upgraded to AT-200 when Mad Men started and downgraded back to AT-120 when the season was over. If I had to do it again I would wait until it came out on Amazon Streaming or DVD, this season really wasn't all that great. That being said, I would really not be happy if I lost the channel mid season so I feel the pain of TWD Fans. That show sounds really interesting, glad I didn't get hooked on it (yet)
  4. Jul 5, 2012 #1264 of 1922

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    I also give dish a high five:D
    I have not been with dish nearly as long as you, and yet they have been very, very user friendly. Not going for a big bash here, but, IMO, they are far superior to direct in CS relations.

    Way to go dish,
    I'm not going away anytime soon
  5. Jul 5, 2012 #1265 of 1922

    patmurphey Godfather

    Dec 21, 2006
    Not the Roku 2 XD being offered by Dish.
  6. Jul 5, 2012 #1266 of 1922

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    That's true. I guess you could sell the XD & then use the money towards a XS which is $20 more.
  7. Jul 5, 2012 #1267 of 1922

    narrod Godfather

    Jul 26, 2007
    It's all about programming. I don't care which carrier is better. If they don't carry the programs I want I will not do business with them.
  8. Jul 5, 2012 #1268 of 1922

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    I agree. I plan on streaming through my Panasonic BD player from Amazon "Hell on Wheels" when it starts in August assuming the episode are available the same week they first air.

    That will cost some money. But because I gained $15 a month by dropping down from AT200 to AT120, it's almost an even trade in the long run.

    Except I am losing BBCA programming.:(

    So I chatted with a courteous and helpful CSR on line. I asked for a couple of months of free Starz as I don't need anything discussed here. He gave me three free months.:)

    That will give me the movies "Moneyball", "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo", and others to watch during the scripted programming summer doldrums, plus most of the new season of "Boss", all for free.

    It seems like a fair trade for losing BBCA shows. I'll just have to keep an eye out for streaming opportunities for "Copper."
  9. Jul 5, 2012 #1269 of 1922

    pitflyer Mentor

    Jan 25, 2008
    I haven't called Dish yet, but I did receive two phone calls from them. The number they have for me is my home phone number, so I'm at work, but caller ID shows its definitely them.

    They don't leave any message but maybe they are being proactive, or saw I had a couple of 'let me transfer you to loyalty' chat sessions that dropped because they were so backed up.
  10. Jul 5, 2012 #1270 of 1922

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    Sad to see so many posts here either directly attacking people or being passive aggressive in attacking people. It's just TV, no need to get personal, no one here is an owner of AMC or Dish or DirectTV - or so I assume! LOL!

    I was surprised to be contacted by Dish. We haven't been with them all that long, and honestly, I'm not looking for anything free from them, I just want to watch the shows we want to watch. I'm provider agnostic: I switched from DirectTV after about 15 years with them because we could not get locals on D* when we moved. There was a dispute, etc. and Dish carried them, so we switched. I watch TV to watch TV, not get involved in ego fights between billionaires. 3 of our favorite shows on TV are on AMC, 3 of our top 10. I can't watch them on Dish any longer. We have a little time on our contract, so we will evaluate a move back to DirectTV - I'm not sure why not? We were very happy with them for our 15 years. (They have the locals now, in HD.) We also liked Dish, but having had both, I can be happy with either. So we'll have to evaluate. Simple.

    Oh, since people are talking about Dish's PR campaign on this, they did offer us a Roku (turned it down) and then $10 a month for a year. They called me, so OK, thanks, I'll accept the discount (since we already pay over $100 a month.) But at the end of the day, as I've said, I'd rather pay a little more to watch our favorite shows than a little less to not be able to see them, since our provider is just our source of shows.

    To those who go on about how poorly viewed Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc. were, they got pretty good ratings. And frankly, if what I wanted/expected in my TV provider is that they only provide the shows with the highest viewership and drop the shows that win all of the critical awards (Emmys, Golden Globes, Best Drama, Best Actor, etc.) then I'd be happy with a provider that just showed The Bachelorette and Two and a Half Men and other such "popular" dreck. So I don't value the shows my provider provides me by the total number of viewers, and that is why I pay for a top end package.

  11. Jul 5, 2012 #1271 of 1922
    K E Will

    K E Will New Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    It cost more than the 2.5 mill a month to produce the Walking dead season so I still want my AMC. I Dont want to leave Dish just want to hear about more negotiations the other channels in the package are catching up. Just look at the last two years Hell on wheels. and Walking Dead are just a start of Amc new programing so they deserve a rate increase just please negotiate.
  12. Jul 5, 2012 #1272 of 1922

    johnp37 Icon

    Sep 14, 2006
    Central NJ
    Come on over to Directv. We still have The Walking Dead, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad. No chance they will be back on Dish. Another prime example of screw the customer for the bottom line.
  13. Jul 5, 2012 #1273 of 1922

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    lol wow.

    Yeah they totally screwed the customers by preventing a chain reaction that would cause our bills to sky rocket.

    Rainbow wants 200% increase, if they get it despite not really offering that much then guess what. All the other little niche channels will want that same 200% increase. Dish has to make that money back one way or another ;)

    There bottom line is maintaining packages at 5$ less then DTV so that they advertise the lowest packages in the business. They cant exactly do that by bending backwards to the whim of every channel owner.
  14. Jul 5, 2012 #1274 of 1922

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    Great, they get to offer the lowest price compared to DirectTV. By not providing the shows winning Best Drama, Best Actor, many other Emmys, 15 Golden Globes, and on and on.

    We're not talking about dropping being able to watch Pawn Stars or Cajun Justice or Auction Whatevers. Mad Men alone has won the Emmy for Best Drama 4 years in a row. Hell, it has gotten more awards and nominations than most shows on any channel:


    Breaking Bad features the Emmy Award winning Best Actor performance, 3 years in a row.

    And so on. Again, this may be a small network but it is producing some of the best shows on TV.

    Tell ya what, I'll be willing to pay more to any channel that produces TV shows that consistently win the top Emmy awards (and a host of other major awards.) Line them up. All the channels that can claim they have some of the best shows produced on TV, bar none.

    And not being able to watch them is, IMO, a real negative for any major TV provider. IMO, of course. ;)
  15. Jul 5, 2012 #1275 of 1922

    Inkosaurus Icon

    Jul 29, 2011
    This has been discussed to death over the last 1k posts here.
    That argument doesnt hold water at the negotiation table.

    AMC has the shows that has critical acclaim but it doesnt have the shows that is bringing in the viewers. AMC wanted money on par with a channel that consistantly brings in millions more viewers and Dish was smart enough to call them on there BS.

    Rainbow is like the Seth Mcfarlane of being channel owners, yeah they got some goods but its all gone to there head and they waaay over evaluated there product.
  16. Jul 6, 2012 #1276 of 1922

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    Gee. Do what I'm going to do ... pay Amazon (or iTunes) and stream the video.

    The show you want - you know, the one that costs $2.5 mill to produce - will get your revenue because you're targeting the product you want. You get to quit paying for those hundreds and hundreds of hours of old movies you never watch.
  17. Jul 6, 2012 #1277 of 1922
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    $2.75 million per episode for the second season (cut from $3.4 million for the first season).

    AMC networks reportedly paid $14.55 million per month for production in 2011 (all shows). If the estimated $2.5 million per month DISH has been paying is the same rate as other providers paid for the show they would have been collecting $16.66 million per month in revenue. Losing DISH puts their revenue below their production costs. (And there are other costs to running a network.)

    So how will they pay for Mad Men, Breaking Bad and the Walking Dead? More cuts in production? Breaking Bad is facing it's final 16 episodes ... broken up into two years of delivery ... I suppose that is one way. Make people pay for two years of AMC to get that 16 hours of content?

    AMC will need to get that $2.5 million somewhere ... and if it isn't from their other distributors then it will have to come from further cuts. The reality we are facing is that everyone, regardless of provider, will be losing Breaking Bad (the show is ending) and the other shows will be lost as well if AMC can't pay for them. So perhaps AMC might want to get creative and see if they can make an offer that DISH cannot refuse?
  18. Jul 6, 2012 #1278 of 1922

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    The only problem is, that doesn't really add up does it? We know generally prices are based on subscribers in terms of how much they actually get, so dish would be a big dog, as would DIRECTV and Comcast. Those three together probably pay more than a quarter the rates they get in total from subscribers.

    However, I doubt you can say that dish leaving them behind would put them below production costs AND therefore in need of making bigger cuts. You have to add back in ad revenue as well. It's entirely possible that. Amc doesn't make enough in subscription costs alone to break even ever. They may rely on ad dollars every bit as much as they do subscriber rates.

    Of course dish being gone also hurts ad dollars, so that also has an effect. There is no easy way to figure out the dollar impact of dish leaving amc behind.

    And who knows how much actual profit the networks pull in either. Hollywood accounting is ridiculous. Money is buried behind ever corner. It might be they could lose dish and all it's ad dollars and not need to change anything. Maybe the reason they made all those production pricing cuts in the first place was they wanted to make sure if they lost one of the big three providers, they would still have the same amount of profit coming in afterward, and they just planned far in advance, expecting all this to happen. Those cuts could have also been about the company feeling they where not getting their return on investment, and that it could be done just as well for less money, and therefore higher profits.

    I doubt this will really affect either companies bottom line in and of itself over the long haul. It will only hurt amc if they lose another big carriage deal, to DIRECTV or Comcast, or several other providers combined.
  19. Jul 6, 2012 #1279 of 1922

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    Almost everything said has been said here before ;)

    I'm just saying that, as someone who pays a lot of money to have options when I watch TV, not being able to see the arguably best shows on TV is a major negative. If all I was interested in we're the shows with the most viewers I'd have a lower tier package and be watching Two Broke Girls and other such crap.

    On another note, if I was DirectTV I'd really be planting the ads out there showing these shows and their awards and saying want to watch the Best Drama on TV for 4 years in a row? You can't see it in Dish, etc etc
  20. Jul 6, 2012 #1280 of 1922
    Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    They won't because they know there's a good likelihood that they'll be in the same boat -- an ocean liner, really, considering the way content providers do business these days.
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