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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jul 8, 2012 #1381 of 1922
    fudpucker

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    Actually, my bill did go up in the last couple of months. No change in programming. It was only a dollar (but that's more than AMC is asking for.)
     
  2. Jul 8, 2012 #1382 of 1922
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    Throwing something else on the fire...

    Those of us who took Dish's side noted that IF Dish caved to AMC, then other channels might ask for more and it could snowball... People defending AMC liked to say "just because Dish gives AMC more money doesn't mean others will ask or Dish has to pay"...

    So, let's take a look at the flip side of what has happened...

    Dish gave somebody some credits and a Roku... word got out, and then everybody and their brother starts calling Dish and asking for credits and a Roku.

    See the pattern?

    Dish caves on something, and people come out of the woodwork to get theirs.

    You can believe that if Dish caved to AMC's demands... the other channels would line up to get theirs too.

    That's the nature of people.
     
  3. Jul 9, 2012 #1383 of 1922
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    Actually in my case Dish reached out to me and offered the remedy. I received the device today and now finally have the ability to stream content I already was paying for through my Prime membership. I am so impressed so far that I will be cancelling Netflix for good as the programs available have been anemic at best.

    The downside for Dish is this device opens up an avenue for those thinking about cutting the cord completely to do so. The Roku combined with a couple of streaming services like Amazon, Hulu and Playon provides easy access to a ton of content for a very low cost of entry. I am not ready to go there yet but this device paired with my 3 tuner media center as a DVR for OTA HD locals and I am getting much closer than I was previously.
     
  4. Jul 9, 2012 #1384 of 1922
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    Well, after 10 yrs we are switching to Directv. Basically we only watch a few channels and one of those is AMC which we have paid dearly for at the top tier for many years. We also do enjoy IFC from time to time.

    In any case, the free Roku player or $10.00 off my bill wasn't enough for me to stay. Especially when they did not directly answer any of my calls about this prior to dropping them and were fairly rude when I called on 07/01 to see what was up. I am one of those customers that was even willing to pay for the channels at a premium price.

    Directv is here installing today. I'll get my AMC, HBO and Showtime at 1/2 what I was paying Dish for the next 2 years at least since AMC is on their lowest tier.
     
  5. Jul 9, 2012 #1385 of 1922
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    congrats on the switch..and good luck going fwd..Ifc isnt in HD on Directv, but like myself you tend to enjoy whats available however its made available..
     
  6. Jul 9, 2012 #1386 of 1922
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    You have a good point.... I rarely ever watch IFC and Sundance. WeTV is not a channel I would ever watch, but I think my wife watches it occasionally.

    AMC, however, we watch. Currently its only really Mad Men we watch, but there are quite a few popular shows on this channel. I can see how Dish has looked at the "package price", as they usually (almost always) negotiate a deal for all channels, and concluded that it wasn't worth the extra 3 channels that do not get a lot of viewers.

    Also, it might just be that AMC said: Price for AMC = xx, and we'll throw in the other three for free. - With of course "xx" being a price that covers all 4.
     
  7. Jul 9, 2012 #1387 of 1922
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    Found out that AMC was getting around 40 cents per subscriber and was asking for around 75 cents acording to the news on the net had heard of estimated numbbers befor so the hush hush stuff is being leaked just like any other secret info it seems to get leaked out.

    And acording to AMC there was never a money offer so it does seem to be a grudge match..

    so I am still holding out befor switching to Direct TV these things have a way of being fixed
     
  8. Jul 9, 2012 #1388 of 1922
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    Obviously with 56 page of posts on this thread, it is a lot to read but those numbers have been talked about since pretty close to the beginning of this thread in May. The likelyhood of any short term reprieve with AMC is pretty slim. If you really need AMC then you might want to see what deals are offered by others. July 15 is this seasons start of Breaking Bad and Hell on Wheels starts in August.
     
  9. Jul 9, 2012 #1389 of 1922
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    Other numbers are $.25 now and wanting $.75, depends on whose numbers you read and how much you are willing to believe them. Neither side is going to give you the straight poop on that.

    And AMC says lots of things, some of it might be true, but I doubt it.

    Right now if I was AMC facing the loss of $25M/month, I'd be wondering what my lifespan might be. And when D*'s contract comes up, I doubt that D* will sit still for a 200% increase either.
     
  10. Jul 9, 2012 #1390 of 1922
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    Your last sentence is KEY...

    AT&T is a small piece of the pie... various cable companies are other pieces of the pie. AMC has lost Dish.

    When DirecTV negotiations come up... DirecTV is in the catbird seat! AMC couldn't afford to lose Dish and DirecTV... DirecTV will be able to control the price, thanks to Dish... then once that happens... maybe Dish comes back to the table and says "give us what DirecTV agreed to or stay off the air."
     
  11. Jul 9, 2012 #1391 of 1922
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    Since dtv got amc Hi Definition last year, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a contract that's good for another year or two at least, so it's entirely possible that Comcast may be the next big player up to bat. I think it's really between these three to knock amc down to a realistic price, if that really is the issue, and then after that we might see if there was other motives from dish to drop amc.

    If amc where to lose dish, dtv and Comcast, then i agree with you, they would be screwed.
     
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    What I find very interesting is the current script Dish Employees are being told to say regarding the take down ;

    Quoting a DIRT member there, but I was also told the same thing over the phone and my buddy who still works at Dish said that is indeed word for word the script used for every situation regarding amc over the phones.

    Now you can take what I say here with a grain of salt, but when I worked at Dish we were never given any scripts remotely similar to that atleast in the intro part. Even when FX, FSN and Natgeo went dark we were never told to mention "we are open to a creative proposal ".

    Our scripts available quite frankly only stated the obvious "X station wanted X% increase" and so on.
    So I find it peculiar they decided to change it up for AMC, It makes me wonder what happened for them to bring that up in the script. My first guess is Dish probably offered Rainbow A la cart options at the negotiation table that everyone is pretending never happened.
     
  13. Leadfoot

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    I have not read this entire thread, but I think I have read enough. One thing I have seen here is that some believe that Dish moved AMC's channels to see how long it would take for customers to notice. It would not surprise me if that is true. I am one that did not notice until after I read about it somewhere. Still, it was kind of a crappy thing to do to customers.

    Having said that... IMO AMC's behavior though out this process has been very unprofessional. Regardless of what any of us believe happened during the initial negotiations, when they didn't get what they wanted they involved us by trying to get us to call and/or e-mail Dish to demand that they keep AMC. Now they are encouraging us to drop Dish and switch to other providers.

    I used to have The Walking Dead's page 'liked' on FB. I changed that yesterday because they are now putting up 3 - 4 status updates everyday. Before last week they maybe put up 1 or 2 in a week's time. I am forced to conclude that their main reason for this is to remind Dish customers of what we have lost. Lots of whining and complaining going on there. I just got tired of it taking up space on my page.

    This is not the kind of thing I would expect from a company that would prefer to sell their services and get several million $ from Dish. Sounds to me like they have very inflated egos and that they believe they are in the driver's seat. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.

    In any case, I have been with Dish for 6 years. They have always been very good to me with service and upgrades. CS has always been helpful and polite. I may not be too happy about having to find another way to watch TWD, but I do applaud Dish for standing their ground on this. Come October I will choose another way to get TWD, and I won't miss AMC in the process.

    BTW, I did not know that this site existed until yesterday. Very impressive.
     
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    Welcome to the DBSTALK DISH Forum!.:welcome_s:)
     
  15. SayWhat?

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    Some numbers I wish we knew, but know we never will.

    • What was Rainbow getting?
    • What was Rainbow asking for?
    • How many calls did Dish receive inquiring about the channel change and subsequent drop?
    • How many people actually left Dish with this as the main reason?
    • How many called Dish threatening to leave in hopes of getting some kind of perk?
    • How many called Dish with the legitimate intent to leave, but changed their minds for some reason?
    • How many will leave Dish at the end of their current contract with this as the primary reason?
    • How many will leave Dish in the next year for other or unspecified reasons?
     
  16. Leadfoot

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    Good questions... and you are right, we most likely will never know. I am also curious about what happened with AT&T. Did AT&T give in to what AMC wanted or was there a compromise?

    Thank you :)
     
  17. RasputinAXP

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    All I know is my new Roku's pretty cool. :)
     
  18. SayWhat?

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    I'm sure this is being talked about on the Direct side of this board which I have blocked out, but for those considering leaving Dish......

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...sse-means-directv-users-will-lose-26-channels

    Weren't we talking about an increase of over 100% for AMC? Yet Direct is in a dispute over 30%.
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    Let's not turn this into a Dish vs DirecTV thread... but this was surprising and interesting news.

    I got the distinct impression that DirecTV customers were surprised by this news today. I have to assume DirecTV wasn't as surprised as they are appearing publicly.

    In any case... it kind of supports the notion of what we have been talking about here with AMC vs Dish. Channels that are turning a profit are going to the carriers who are turning a profit and saying "I want mine"... and the carriers are saying "you don't deserve that much" with an underpinning of "if we give some to you, there will form a line of other channels..."

    So... AMC wants theirs from Dish and AT&T... Dish says no thanks... AT&T makes some kind of deal that we don't know what... Now Viacom is asking for more from DirecTV. What will happen? Stay tuned.
     
  20. SayWhat?

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    Nawh, I'm just pointing out that jumping from one carrier to another is no guarantee you'll get the programming you think you will since these disputes seem to pop up more and more frequently with little or no notice to the public.

    Losing Viacom would be a much bigger issue to me than losing Rainbow, which I've barely noticed.
     
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