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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Sep 4, 2012 #1721 of 1922
    DoyleS

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    At this point Dish has probably survived any change in membership due to the dropping of AMC. In my opinion they have done a good job in minimizing the impact and keeping customers happy. Clearly if someone didn't or doesn't speak up, they get no compensation. The impact on AMC will only be known when their financial results come out for the quarter as I am sure they are trying to keep the numbers pretty close to the vest.
     
  2. Sep 4, 2012 #1722 of 1922
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    There are too many variables in accounting such that AMC, if they desired, could completely mask any effect, or exaggerate it.
     
  3. Sep 4, 2012 #1723 of 1922
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    Yeah, heck they could quote Dish's CEO and claim they didn't have that many viewers on Dish anyway so the impact isn't that much. ;)

    It is clear this isn't a normal channel carriage dispute: these two owners have made it personal and neither wants to compromise. So the odds are high Dish customers just won't get to watch AMC shows (unless they go elsewhere.)

    Leaving the viewers out, and just looking from a company point of view, hard to see it any way except that it hurts AMC more than Dish. At least short term. You never know how many new customers each year will choose DirectTV instead of Dish because they want to be able to get AMC. But in the short term I have to guess this hurts AMC's ad rates ( though we'll probably see those numbers this coming season.)
     
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    If business has taught me one thing it is....never, ever, say never.
     
  5. Sep 4, 2012 #1725 of 1922
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    Good point. Money talks; nobody walks!

    Is your handle a Porsche reference? I had a 356-A....
     
  6. Sep 5, 2012 #1726 of 1922
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    I was surprised that AMC was on Dish in HD to begin with.

    I wish that some agreement would happen allowing AMC HD, We TV HD, IFC HD, and Sundance Channel HD.
     
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    Great points!! That, IMOSHO, is why AMC is "dissing Dish" (try saying that ten times fast :lol:), as they know they will lose viewers come October.

    But Dish also knows in the future they will lose potential customers. I upgraded my receiver a year ago and would pick DTV if I had to do it again today b/c of AMC/IFC. We may switch in the future, but the benefit/PIA of a DVR is that we have a lot on there to watch. In possible anticipation of a switch, we are making an effort to watch DVR'd content. It's good to "clean house" every so often!! :D
     
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    Just a quick word on Breaking Bad. For me, the only thing that worked was going to Season 1, Episode 1. A bit doubtful after that, but an ep or two more, I was hooked. I had tried jumping in middle season 3 and it didn't take.

    I caught the first three seasons on Netflix.
     
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    I have about 18 episodes of BB recorded from their event right before they pulled the plug. I am missing a few but can get them through Blockbuster. It is on the backburner now as I am more into Mad Men and Hell on Wheels.
     
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    That article has several wrong things in it... The most egregious is saying that "Dish has blacked out AMC channels since July"...

    Dish has NOT blacked out AMC channels. Dish and AMC did not renew their contract to carry once the contract expired.

    There is no blackout. Dish has no contract to carry AMC channels.
     
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    I just scanned several other articles on various sites and .....

    A ) None of them mention talks or anything close to a carriage deal.

    B ) Some of them mention increasing tensions between Dish and CBS over the Hopper suit.

    So that fact that the above mentioned article is from CBS makes me wonder about impartiality.
     
  15. Laxguy

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    I'd go a bit further and say AMC pulled the channels. AMC could have kept them on during negotiations, so it was they who blacked them out.
     
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    I also think AMC is being disingenuous when their ads state DISH viewers are paying for AMC but not getting it.

    Au contraire; we're not getting DISH because we don't want to pay higher rates that would ensue due to the confiscatory retransmit rates AMC demands.
     
  17. tampa8

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    They are referring to the fact Dish did not drop rates. That ignores three things. Free Roku's and discounts being given. And Dish does not raise rates either each time a new channel is added.
     
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    Every night driving home from work I hear the Comcast add touting that they have those channels and that Dish dropped them.

    And I think to myself so what, I didn't watch them except once in a blue moon. Shame for those that did watch them.
     
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  20. Stewart Vernon

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    Off-topic, but CBS can't threaten to drop Dish exactly... I mean, CBS doesn't own and operate ALL of even a majority of the CBS affiliates out there... so they don't have a say in that.

    IF CBS attaches other channels it does own to the OTA dispute, then they will look bad for doing so in customer's eyes since customers frankly want the commercial skipping feature.

    So... CBS' best chance is in court, IF they can win an injunction there... but CBS will never win in the court of public opinion.

    Even people like me that see their beef about the AutoHop feature wouldn't support CBS taking the ball and going home over it.

    Meanwhile, back to topic... it will be interesting to see IF the Voom lawsuit proceedings have any effect on getting AMC back.

    The funny thing is AMC's actions in many ways support what Dish said about how Rainbow (the former AMC operation name) ran Voom... asking for money but not spending it on the programming they say... so in some ways the recent AMC dispute hurts the Voom suit more than Dish's behavior I think.
     
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