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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Oct 9, 2012 #1781 of 1922
    Diana C

    Diana C Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Jersey
    According to a recently former Dish Network employee, now working at a competing cable company that happens to be my client, Dish Network broke off negotiations weeks before the channel went dark, and there have been no negotiations since then.

    Take that for what's it worth...this guy volunteered the information as part of a conversation about how Dish drives hard bargains with content providers. He offered no reason why the negotiations were ended and I didn't ask. He simply said "Yeah, and if they don't budge, <negotiator's name> will just walk away...look at AMC..."
  2. Oct 9, 2012 #1782 of 1922

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    That correlates with something I picked up from Bloomberg, that Dish fairly quickly said sorry, no deal, see ya and walked away and there were no discussions at all after that, weeks before the cut-off. Bloomberg's report stated that the AMC folks were stunned, said, OK, we understand hardball, let's talk, and Dish said sorry, talks are over, have a good life.
  3. Oct 9, 2012 #1783 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    To be fair... that wouldn't entirely surprise me really... I know there is bad blood between the Charlies... so it probably wouldn't take much to get Dish to just walk away.

    Having said that, though... I think it is patently dumb for AMC to be going around with the "Not on Dish" stuff everywhere. It's like a spoiled child who didn't get his way.

    Either one of two things are going to happen:

    1. AMC never comes back to Dish... ever... which means all the "not on Dish" stuff is just childish and a waste of money on AMC's part.

    2. AMC does come back to Dish... but all the "Dish is evil, go to DirecTV, etc." stuff will backfire and factor into negotiations as Dish says "well, you wanted to cost us subscribers so what are YOU going to do to get those subscribers back for us? Nothing, you say? Well, so much much for your rate increase... we need that to offset lost revenue."
  4. epokopac

    epokopac Godfather

    Aug 8, 2007
    ... I know there is bad blood between the Charlies...

    Yeah, the scars run deep on this "issue". Two chances of AMC coming back: 1-Fat, 2-Slim.

    I can wait until Fall 2013 to watch TWD on BD or DVD. Got plenty of stuff on DVR's and BDs and DVDs to catch up on for now.
  5. TBoneit

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    Jul 27, 2006
    I know someone that wanted a better monthly rent payment price on one of his business locations. He stopped paying the rent. Eventually they came back and he ended up with a better price.

    It isn't just Charlie.
  6. tampa8

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
    I was loosely referring to that. Dish was negotiating, perhaps not fully in good faith with AMC. I happen to think the VOOM lawsuit is going to be lost by Dish, yet I understand exactly why Dish dropped them at that time. That said, Dish isn't going to reward Rainbow media/AMC with being carried on Dish.
    But had AMC just stuck to the normal press releases channels in dispute put out, it might have been more possible to come to an agreement. Once the Roku was given out, that signaled to me AMC ain't coming back anytime soon. This is a time when I think Dish is also responsible for not having AMC, rather than normally they really are just trying to stave off increases in programming costs. Though that did play into it.
  7. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Personally I'd rather have VOOM back than AMC Group.
  8. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    That became obvious pretty early on. In a regular dispute, both parties would have started doing their media blasts with terms like "fair deal" and "only so many cents per subscriber a day", etc, etc..... That happens with virtually every other deal where the carrier and a media company are in a negotiation deadlock.

    Not here. It was very clear from the beginning that Dish was "done". AMC had to change tactics, and started a campaign to make people switch from Dish.

    Personally, I believe that Dish put a final offer on the table that probably was either the same, or LESS money they were paying before they lost AMC, and said: "take it or leave it, and if it is leave it... we're done".
  9. nmetro

    nmetro Godfather

    Jul 11, 2006
    I guess they needed room for the PAC12 channels.

    Yes, the "Not on DISH" ads have gotten a little old; though, some of the time, DirecTV does try to cover those ads over with one of theirs.
  10. georule

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    Mar 31, 2010
    I think DISH was a lot more interested when having AMC HD when DirecTV didn't was a competitive advantage they had. When it stopped being a competitive advantage because DirecTV added it in HD as well, DISH lost a lot of interest. Which is pretty rough for those DISH customers who joined DISH in part for that reason originally.
  11. LtMunst

    LtMunst Hall Of Fame

    Aug 24, 2005
    Yes...I still have a fantasy that MonstersHD and KungFuHD will come back some day. :sure:
  12. lparsons21

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    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    Given the way Voom was doing things back then, if those come back, most likely they would still be doing incessant reruns of exactly same movies they were showing then.

    No thanks. Voom's day has come and gone.
  13. fleckrj

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    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    Which is why switching providers over one channel is a dumb idea. Carriage disputes are a fact of life for everyone.
  14. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    That. Doesn't really work out... If they saw that as being a competitive advantage when they had the channel, then they would now see not having it as a competitive disadvantage, and they sure don't seem to right now, so I don't think that was at all behind any of that process. I think it was more a matter of doing what you can with what you have while you are stuck in a contract you no longer like, and sure wouldn't feel was worth it if it increased upon renewal.
  15. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

    Jul 3, 2012
    It will be interesting to see if AMC will attempt to get back on Dish if they lose viewers for TWD this Sunday. It's one of our faves, so until we decide to switch to DTV, we'll wait for the Blu-ray, as our computer is at work.

    Dish offered to put my account on "pause" for up to six months if I switched to DTV. That way I could still have access to my DVR content, so we are considering that. They also gave me quite a break on my monthly fee and the premium stations. As we have had AEP for eight years, it was cheaper than losing a customer, I guess. My montly bill was reduced substantially. Still rather have the zombies, though!!
  16. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009

    Computers are cheap. In the $300 range for some model on sale. I've seen them for less if you want to go refurbed. I don't think there are too many households with satellite TV that don't have at least one PC.

    For that matter, DVD players are under $100.
  17. paja

    paja Godfather

    Oct 22, 2006
    Spot on Paul-MONSTERS HD, the best channel, ever!
  18. ATARI

    ATARI Hall Of Fame

    May 10, 2007
    DVD players are $19. Blu-ray players $79.
  19. FTA Michael

    FTA Michael Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2002
    Is this the thread to report the Voom trial updates? If so, the latest says that "New York Supreme Court Judge Richard Lowe III was visibly angry with Dish Network (Thursday), thumping his desk as he accused the company of disrespecting the court, according to an account of the VOOM case proceedings from Andrew Harms of advisory firm Washington Analysis." Read the whole summary from Deadline.com here: http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/voom-case-judge-dish-network-amc/

    Ditto. A pity that can never happen now.
  20. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    I hope Dish can get Fearnet at some point. They have Sony Movie Channel already.
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