1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MCHuf

    MCHuf Legend

    147
    0
    Oct 9, 2011
    We have no way of knowing how many people on Dish would have watched that episode. But it does counter the Dish supporters claims that losing Dish would end up hurting AMC. Ratings are up and I'm sure more people buy episodes (many of them with money Dish credited them :eek2:) than before, giving AMC Networks even more revenue than when Dish did carry them!
     
  2. MCHuf

    MCHuf Legend

    147
    0
    Oct 9, 2011
    But what does commenting on a network you don't care about, say about your mental health?
     
  3. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,142
    192
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    That's right: WE.
    But dish has: each day your DVR (all of them connected to phone or/and Internet) sending the full info: what when and how long you/your family watched it.
     
  4. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

    59
    0
    Jul 3, 2012
    :confused: To each his own - we all can't like the same things. It never ceases to amaze me how many feel that a subjective opinion is somehow "wrong" if it does not coincide with their views. :nono2: This is why I generally stay off forums, although I feel like I've learned so much here. (Special thanks to Stewart!!)

    We have found Dish offers very good CS. We have had AEP for eight years, and was given a credit for and HOW and TWD, to download or buy the discs. Dish also gave us all of the premiums at half price for 6 months, and an additional $15/mo. off my bill. They also offered to "pause" my account for six mos. if I switch to DTV, in case I don't want to keep DTV. That would allow us access to our DVR content during that time. Sweet!! :D

    Unfortunately, our computer is at work, and we cannot stream content at home. I hardly want to pay for internet at home just to stream a few channels. So we still may switch to DTV if AMC/IFC is not restored to Dish after the VOOM lawsuit has concluded. What little I've had time to read did not seem to favor Dish. We didn't want to switch to DTV, only to have Dish restore these channels shortly thereafter. But our fave shows are on AMC, so the switch may come eventually. I am put off Dish from the way this whole mess is being handled, but one reads a lot of complaints about DTV installation/service. I do realize that any business had its share of disgruntled consumers.

    Considering TWD had a record audience, AMC obviously doesn't need Dish, but it could only add to the ratings. Even though we'll buy the discs eventually, the advertisers want "live" viewers for their programming. At this point, the realist in me realizes that it is extremely unlikely that Dish will return these channels to their lineup. I've "waited it out" this long, so some of the links here gave me some glimmer of hope that there may be a settlement that would include carriage.

    It may be that Dish will experience a slow loss of subscribers, and less new ones secondary to this. If I were picking a new sat provider, I would pick DTV over Dish today. Of course, if AMC/IFC isn't important to you, Dish might be the more attractive choice. We were always satisfied with them b4 this.
     
  5. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,364
    580
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
    As a general guideline, it's never a good idea to slam or denigrate other's choices, be it TV programming, cars, TVs, clothing, schools, AVRs, etc.

    Sports teams are another matter....:eek2:
     
  6. MCHuf

    MCHuf Legend

    147
    0
    Oct 9, 2011
    And what's your point? Are you saying that Dish knows how many more people would have watched TWD last Sunday compared to what numbers Dish subscribers viewed the show in the past? That would just be a guess on their part.

    The fact that Dish would be able to monitor every customers viewing habits shouldn't be a surprise to anyone on these forums or with common sense (I know two very different things ;)).
     
  7. kick4fun

    kick4fun Godfather

    487
    6
    Aug 9, 2006
    or sports conferences... :) Just kidding!
     
  8. Inkosaurus

    Inkosaurus Icon

    678
    1
    Jul 29, 2011
    The majority of the Dish supporters who actually know what there talking about have always said this would not hurt Dish.

    We never said it would hurt AMC. We merely theorized that there money from ad revenue might take a hit.
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,611
    382
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Friendly moderator warning... please don't attack each other. It is a valid point of view to not like a show or network, just as valid as liking said show or network.

    Don't attack each other, attack the topic.

    Thanks!
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,611
    382
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Exactly... I'm sure AMC's numbers would be higher with Dish as a carrier... but how much higher? That's hard to tell. IF all the hard-core people did as they threatened and left Dish for DirecTV... then most of the ratings this weekend would reflect that shift...

    It would be all but impossible to tell at this point how much the ratings would have improved IF Dish still carried AMC.

    It would all be guesswork. Still... you have to think the potential harm to AMC is greater over the long-term than it is to Dish. The farther we go, without major defection from Dish... the more that becomes a settled deal... But where AMC may be losing is ratings on all their other shows... so over time, AMC still loses more on this than Dish does.
     
  11. dunkonu23

    dunkonu23 Legend

    221
    1
    Sep 10, 2006
    Michigan....
    I'm not hard core, but I will leave Dish if this doesn't get settled by the time my Hopper contract expires in 17 months. :) What a threat, huh?

    Scott
     
  12. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    8,514
    532
    May 17, 2010
    USA
    Interesting article on Swanni's home page this morning about the DISH/AMC trial. Granted, I take everything Swanni says with a grain of salt. But, if there is any truth with the articles he reported today and previous days the trial has all the makings of a John Grisham short story.
     
  13. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

    59
    0
    Jul 3, 2012
    :joy: The Dish/VOOM trial may be nearing an end. The trial has been abruptly adjourned for the weekend. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444868204578062550895707588.html It would be in both parties interest to settle.
    From what I'ven read online (news sources), Dish was never favored in any way to win. Perhaps Ergen was holding out for TWD premiere, thinking AMC would come crawling back (like a zombie :D). Considering it smashed rating records, that didn't happen. Still, ratings would have been higher with Dish, so I am keeping my fingers crossed that any settlement would include a carriage deal.
     
  14. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,142
    192
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    You gave a link to empty page, with no article, but stupid "Article" header.
     
  15. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

    59
    0
    Jul 3, 2012
    SO SORRY - Tried to fix link, but I don't think it worked. The article was the Wall Street Journal, under "Dish Trail Adjourns". If you Google "AMC Dish Trial Adjourns", that will yield the result.

    Again. my apologies, for the "stupid" header. Perhaps a moderator could fix this? I'm not pushing subscriptions to The Journal!
     
  16. fudpucker

    fudpucker Godfather

    1,072
    54
    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    I have to believe they are trying to settle. The core of Dish's entire argument was that the investment in Voom was not what was agreed upon. The forensic's pulling out the deleted emails that specifically showed Dish agreed on the terms that they are claiming in court they did not agree to seems, by most business analysts accounts, to cut the legs out of Dish's arguments. In addition, a couple of legal analysts have said that the Voom lawyers are going to be able to address the jury and lay out, hey, they have told you all trial they never agreed to this, that has been their entire argument, and then we find emails that explicitly show that what we said was true, and they were lying on the stand. In addition, we found this in deleted emails - the evidence the judge berated them for destroying. That's right, they "accidentally" deleted the specific evidence that shows without any doubt they lied, and that Voom lived up to the agreement. Oh yeah, we also found deleted emails that shows they lied about the viewership numbers.

    No matter what side you're on, it is going to be very hard to win the jury if you're Dish, at this point. I doubt the unexpected adjournment after these came to light is a coincidence.

    However - I was personally involved in trying to convince the CEO of our company (at the time, I have since moved on) - a $35 Billion dollar company - that he needed to back down and settle due to overwhelming evidence against our company and him personally, and, like a lot of super-rich CEOs, his ego would not allow him to settle. He insisted we go on. We lost a $1.44 billion dollar suit as a result AND he looked like an idiot. Point being, never underestimate the stupidity that can result from the egos of zillionaire CEOs, so who knows what will happen. In this case, the two CEOs have made it so personal it is hard to see Charlie admitting defeat.

    (And what an IDIOT I am, LOL! I JUST realized why Dish is nicknamed Charlie! Gah!)
     
  17. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,364
    580
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
    No apology necessary at all; Mr. Smith should be the one apologizing for his reply.

    I am not a subscriber, but I suspect this link will also go to the page trying to get one to subscribe in order to see the article. What the WSJ is trying to do.

    In any event, your suggestion to Google the phrase works just fine, even without the quotes.
     
  18. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

    16,473
    133
    Aug 5, 2002
    Dripping...
  19. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,364
    580
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
    Not if you Google according to Joy's phrase.- At least as of precisely 10:55:05 AM PT on Thursday, October 18, 2012
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page