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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

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    Apparently copying/pasting the link results in the same results that attempt to get the viewer to subscribe. Googling the phrase (for some reason :confused:) will lead one to the article. To copy/paste the article would take up a lot of room here (should I be concerned about that on a 75 page thread? :lol:) And I'm not sure if that is some copyright breach.

    Fudpucker, it is indeed amazing what the ego will drive one to do. If my husband and I made such poor business decisions as Ergen, we would be bankrupt by now. But, then again, we don't have multi-millions with which to "play"!

    I was looking (hoping:)) for a settlement all along that would restore carriage. We've been very happy with Dish otherwise. My best case scenario is that my patience will be rewarded, and I willl have substantial savings on my sat bill secondary to the perks Dish gave to retain me.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Yeah, Googling is working, but all posted URLs here are not. Don't stuck with it. We can read it other way.
     
  3. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    It makes some business sense for The Journal to set it up that way; they might find new subscribers by showing articles via Google, and if sending links were too easy, lose some subs that'd find there's no need to pay.
     
  4. MNipper

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  5. joyandjerry

    joyandjerry AllStar

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    I clicked on this thread to post that, and you beat me to it! Bloomberg and Variety are posting basically the same story.

    I had hoped that AMC would be restored for the next ep of TWD. Generally, the prior ep is shown again.

    Do ya think Ergen wished he had AMC stock? :lol:
     
  6. MNipper

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    Well if they do settle "soon", you can always stream the first episode (e.g. from Amazon, or somewhere else) for a few bucks, in order to get "caught up", and then jump back back in to the rest of the season. If we end up too far behind, I'll just blow off the whole season, and wait for the the S3 Blu-rays, and will watch them all that way.
     
  7. kick4fun

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    Wahoo, just received my new ROKU, courtesy of Dish.. Now it looks like a settlement and I have credits, a roku and will soon be watching AMC on the Hopper.. Thank you DISH!
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Did you get Roke and HDMI cable? my box came named as "B-Stock" (referb ?) and no cable;
    actually it was send directly from ROKU location (it's a 5 min drive).
     
  9. kick4fun

    kick4fun Godfather

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    It was a new Roku XD with the crappy cables.. Luckily I have plenty of HDMI cables..
     
  10. fudpucker

    fudpucker Godfather

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    They typically don't come with an HDMI cable, but Amazon's branded HDMI cables are both cheap and well made. Same for monoprice.com. Whatever you do, don't pay something like $30 for an HDMI cable!
     
  11. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I have Fry's ! They often (to just bring ppl in stores) selling the HDMI cables for $1 or two ;)
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    The really damning thing here is the recovery of emails that show Dish was talking about this.

    Without those emails, it was just the accusation of destroying "evidence" and while the judge can slap them for that... without any proof of the content, you can't just assume anything.

    But... in finding the deleted content, it creates something worse than the content itself.

    IF Dish had merely saved and turned over the emails... Dish could always fight the "that's not how we understood it" argument... in any contract there has to be a "meeting of the minds" for it to be valid... so the door is open to even dispute documented agreements IF it can be demonstrated that one party didn't really understand the contract to be what it appears to be on paper.

    BUT...

    Dish taking the time to delete these emails... that's the real smoking gun. The content is secondary, but reinforces the notion of... IF Dish didn't believe that was the contract, why go to the effort of deleting emails that discussed that aspect? The deletion is a willful act, that demonstrates understanding of the importance of the content... and that serves to validate the content itself.

    Summarizing...

    No deletion = Dish can play the "that's not what I thought" card.

    Deletion = Dish acknowledges the agreement and was trying to obscure it purposefully.

    I believe the worm has indeed turned here. IF the writing is truly on the wall, a settlement would get things done quicker.
     
  13. fudpucker

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    Cool, drives me crazy to see someone get sold a $35 HDMI cable in Best Buy.

    Back to topic: It would be really nice, if they reach a settlement this weekend, to see an announcement by both sides saying something like "We're very happy to announce an agreement that both brings the AMC channels back to Dish and also allows us to give our customers the best value in satellite TV" etc. I.e. a mature, professional announcement with neither side trying to make the other look bad.

    OTOH, nothing I've seen to date leads me to expect that. :nono2:
     
  14. James Long

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    DISH did not take the time to delete the emails ... they had their server set up to delete old emails routinely. What they did not do was turn off the deletion or save the emails elsewhere when the legal issue arose. Which, despite there being no court order to keep that content at the time it was deleted, was frowned upon by the court.
     
  15. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    What I don't get here is why AMC/Voom didn't provide their copy of the allegedly damning e-mails...
     
  16. fudpucker

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    Ya know, that's an obvious question I never thought of! The emails aren't "allegedly" damning - they have now been shown in court, Dish is not trying to deny them now that they have been put into evidence, and everyone is saying they demonstrate that Dish wasn't telling the truth in court and has now been "caught."

    But why didn't AMC/Voom show their copies? It would seem obvious, and they obviously must have had them. Huh.
     
  17. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    It's lame to present they action that way for inexperience in IT rules ppl here ...

    I'll tell you it's BS right away! And even not funny if talking about a court process.
    Each server has long shelf with historical backups outside the company. That's the rule ! Especially if are talking about mail server. You'll need (as the server admin) take a lot work to destroy all those backups. I'm not telling who could give you such order.

    BTW: You are not oblige to find legitimate arguments for the company wrongdoing.
    Don't make it worst.
     
  18. MCHuf

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    It seems to me that the deleted emails was internal Dish correspondence and not emails between Voom and Dish. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
     
  19. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Heh. A lot of things about this case don't make a lot of sense!

    :eek2:
     
  20. chris83

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    What is the best # to call regarding the Roku offer? I'm not too happy missing TWD, but the Roku would be a plus in streaming.
     
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