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Dish Drops Fisher Stations

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Renard, Dec 17, 2008.

  1. TechnoCat

    TechnoCat Legend

    Sep 4, 2005
    They allow it because it results in far lower rates for them and us. These are the better negotiators. The networks/stations aren't accustommed to having anyone call their bluff.

    If that's hard to understand and appreciate, Dish isn't the carrier for you, and capitalism isn't the system for you. Try France.
  2. GrumpyBear

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2006
    Granted, we could aways help help subsidize, the prices, by being forced to always bring up the full guide and being bombarded with Banner advertisements in the guide, and a guide that moves SO SLOW, it will drive you crazy. Sometimes Dish plays hardball, and its frustrating, but also amazing that it always seems to work its way out.
  3. Kheldar

    Kheldar Icon

    Sep 5, 2004
    DishNet says that they are fighting to keep prices low. If that really was true, then DishNet wouldn't have to raise their prices by roughly the same amount as DirecTV every year.

    It may be the conspiracy theorist in me, but I think DishNet purposely stages these public spats just so they can pretend to be fighting for the little guy. If they were truly successful in their fight, then they wouldn't be raising their prices by the same amount as DirecTV each year.

    Their price increases for the last several years have mirrored DirecTV's almost exactly. And occur 1-2 months earlier than DirecTV's. Sounds to me like they aren't winning the fight.
  4. GrumpyBear

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2006
    Well they have to be doing something, as were Dish does raise the prices, they don't bombard us with endless marketing and advertisments in the guide, to offset the costs of things.
  5. puckwithahalo

    puckwithahalo Hall Of Fame

    Sep 2, 2007
    The amount may be about the same, but the overall level of pricing is still typically lower.
  6. JohnH

    JohnH Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    And the cost of the mainstream channels is likely the same for both providers. The cost of those does go up each year. It's built-in.
  7. Richl

    Richl New Member

    May 6, 2006
    I am affected by the dispute between Fisher and Dish. My biggest concern is that if Dish yields to Fishers demands for the 82% rate increase, then that will open the door for all of the other stations to start demanding the same type rate increase when their retransmission agreements come due. What will that ultimately do to our rates?


    I am watching Komo TV via an antenna right now, I get a 70 signal strength during the day and 0 at night, hmmmmm (attic antenna).
  8. grcooperjr

    grcooperjr New Member

    Mar 19, 2008
    Hi Folks.....

    I fired off an email to Fisher and got this reply back.......


    from:CEO Colleen Brown [colleen_brown@fsci.com]

    Thank you for your email.

    We want to thank you for caring enough about our programming to take the time to write. Please know that we attempted to extend the expiration of our current contract with DISH to work out the terms of a new agreement, but they rejected our proposal. We're obviously disappointed by their decision as it is you who is hurt the most.

    We know that you don’t really care whose fault this is, you just want to be able to watch your favorite programs and local news. But we thought you might like to know how this works. DISH pays a small amount of your monthly fee to every network or local station they carry. Please know that despite DISH's claim, our request is for a modest increase and is still considerably less than the amount they pay for less popular program networks. In fact, we have preliminarily agreed on the rate, but other issues are preventing a deal from being finalized.

    While I can’t go into greater detail, you should know that we believe DISH Network has violated the terms of our existing agreement. They have failed to pay us for one of our stations for the past two years! I would expect that if I were a DISH subscriber and I didn't pay my bill for two years, they would shut off my service and seek my back pay.

    Please know that we are continuing our negotiations with DISH Network and doing all we can to reach a settlement. Thank you again for your email and we regret this has caused you any inconvenience.


    Colleen Brown
    President and Chief Executive Officer
    Fisher Communications, Inc.
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Per Charlie Ergen: Fisher's proposal to extend the contract was ONLY until Monday (Dec 22) and at their demanded new rate ... not an extension at the prior contract rates. DISH offered a longer extension (to get past the holidays and bad weather) but Fisher refused.

    This is the subject of a lawsuit apparently filed in Oregon state court (I cannot find a case in the federal court system) ... access to the Oregon courts online is prohibitively expensive (a $275 set up fee before any information is retrieved at additional cost). But based on media reports, the lawsuit has to do with stations Fisher *PURCHASED*. DISH had agreements with the prior station owners that should have carried over.

    As long as there is a lawsuit hanging over this I would not expect Fisher stations to return. They just seem too far apart.
  10. jclewter79

    jclewter79 Hall Of Fame

    Jan 8, 2008
    So, basically fisher wants backpay on must carry channels that had agreement and must carry status before fisher purchased them? This is laughble, fisher will get nowhere with this as the contract E* had carries over to new owners.
  11. calgary2800

    calgary2800 Godfather

    Aug 26, 2006
    How can this be? Everything is in black and white over what is owed in the past. I think Dish should reveal what is owed for the past and let us all decide who is right or wrong. A 3rd party arbitration should get involved.
  12. scooper

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    Let's make this real clear -

    Fisher purchased some number of stations a couple years ago that had their own carriage arraingements with Dish. (Apparently Must Carry - for which NO compensation is given to the station. In fact, under Must Carry - the station assumes all costs of getting their signal to the carriers POP).

    Dish continued carrying these stations under their previous carriage agreement.

    Now Fisher is saying that the carriage agreements for ALL other Fisher stations should be retroactively applied to the new acquisitions.

    Fisher should be "laughed out of court" for making such an assumption.

    Dish will probably not settle on Fisher's terms, and consequently - Fisher stations will not be carried by Dish, until they come to more reasonable terms.
  13. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Without having the actual lawsuit in front of us we have to rely on the statements of those involved either directly or via the media. The statements I have seen reflect the idea that Fisher bought stations that were already on DISH and (my opinion) may be confused as to whether their "Fisher" contract for all "Fisher" stations on DISH covered carriage of those stations or the preexisting agreements applied. I remember one article where DISH acknowledged some underpayment but the rest seems to be more of a misunderstanding.

    Renewal time is a critical point where misunderstandings turn into off air incidents. Lawsuits NEVER help. By the time a lawsuit is worked out nobody will be happy.
  14. carl.066

    carl.066 Mentor

    Jul 24, 2008
    According to my friends in Eugene, OR., Dish carriage of KVAL-TV (owned by Fisher) resumed this morning.
  15. BaldEagle

    BaldEagle Legend

    Jun 19, 2006
    Still no channel 2 CBS the Fisher channel here.

    Did an experiment and made this: How to build a UHF HDTV Antenna....CHEAP!

    Put the antenna outside in a large pot in the backyard.

    Now I'm picking up all the locals in HD, thinking of dropping the Dish locals to save $5 a month. If not for losing the DVR function for the locals it would be an easy decision.
  16. TechnoCat

    TechnoCat Legend

    Sep 4, 2005
    Why would you think any of that? Or are you just pretending to think?
    • Black-and-White doesn't make it clear. If it did, there would be no need for courts and certainly no need for appeals.
    • Dish hasn't hidden the details, but why on Earth should Dish or Fischer care about YOUR opinion as to whether more money is owed?
    • And while we're at it, what expertise do you have that makes you capable of reading through years of multi-party contracts and sorting it all out anyhow? If experts can't agree, you must be very proud of yourself for apparently being the one elected human capable of discerning the true meaning and intent of every contractual dispute.
  17. Rob Glasser

    Rob Glasser Hall Of Fame Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2005
    Just checked KOMO here in Seattle and it's definitely NOT back. They are running the special Charlie Chat loop at the moment.
  18. Benhath

    Benhath Cool Member

    Sep 8, 2006
    Nope, still the Charlie Chat and associated announcements are being played on KVAL as of 19:30 Pacific Time.

  19. wsuladesigner

    wsuladesigner Cool Member

    Jun 10, 2008
    I just checked my guide, and at noon on Tuesday, it looks as if the station is going to be turned back on (KOMO). It doesn't show the "Important News" anymore, but actual programming. Does anyone else see this?
  20. Rob Glasser

    Rob Glasser Hall Of Fame Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2005
    I see the same thing. It might be that they just haven't updated the guide with their important news banner that far out yet. Guess we'll see what happens. KOMO still has the alert message on their website about it being gone, FWIW.

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