Dish far apart on contract with CBS as deadline nears

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  1. Nov 4, 2014 #21 of 183
    phrelin

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    Hmmm. Well we watch a lot of CBS shows, the San Francisco station is O&O, and we don't have access to OTA.

    What I did for a week in my ratings thread is comment on whether what we recorded and viewed was available for streaming without a subscription to cable or satellite and it turns out that everything but the HBO and Showtime shows could be viewed from the network sites (or subscriptions to CBS All Access, HULU+, Netflix, or Amazon). In 2015 HBO will have an online subscription and it was intimated that Showtime will be following suit.

    I have speculated that something was going to push me to switch to streaming. It would be interesting during the dispute to try out the CBS All Access because, as I understand it, it does give you access to live local station programming (see this article). We can with our Amazon tablets or phones or our Surface Pro 2's use Miracast to "project" the programming onto our old 2003 Pany Plasma or our 2013 Samsung TV.

    I don't know how close I am to shifting to all streaming. Our redwood trees are slowly but surely going to force us from satellite. I really would prefer timely access to AMC and TNT shows, for instance, which now aren't offered through their web sites without a cable/satellite provider subscription. However, current episodes from shows like "Walking Dead" are available for $2.00 per episode at Amazon. Within a year I suspect there will be many networks available through subscription online.

    After 26 years with Echostar C-band/Dish Network equipment, it would be a difficult change. The irony here is I wouldn't actually be cutting a cord, but using one for TV the first time in a quarter of a century.

    I say all this because in the end, these disputes are going to align with the rest of the home entertainment shift contributing to what is called "cutting the cord."
     
  2. Nov 4, 2014 #22 of 183
    mwdxer

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    Fortunately in the NW both Seattle and Portland CBS stations are not O&O, so for this time we are not included. But we were with Fisher ABC back a few years ago and Dish lost both KATU Portland and KOMO Seattle for 6 months! Fortunately I get KATU ABC OTA also is SD analog, but many did not. I hope Dish and CBS settle before the D date.
     
  3. Nov 4, 2014 #23 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Don't worry...Primetime Anytime without commercials will be gone from CBS as it is for ABC now (at least for 72 hours) when this contract is finally signed.
     
  4. Nov 4, 2014 #24 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    $10 in 1968 dollars is the same as $68.40 in 2014 dollars, so actually, very little has changed - except more choice.

    And I'd love your "source" for claiming OTA TV Stations agreed not to charge a fee many years ago. In fact, in the early 80s, several UHFs scrambled their signal to provide in essence an OTA Movie Channel to subscribers. This was also tried in the last 10 years with the subchannels in several markets as an OTA cable provider (Phoenix was one of the markets iirc).

    Furthermore, Stations never paid to get on cable systems. They were covered by must carry requirements.

    As thus, would be nice to see sources for all these claims that were "promised many years ago"
     
  5. Nov 4, 2014 #25 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Hope you have deep pockets (also remember Football is not available with CBS All Access)

    http://www.multichannel.com/blog/picture/la-carte-and-sticker-shock/385088
     
  6. Nov 4, 2014 #26 of 183
    phrelin

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    Well, right at the moment I'm paying Dish $117.10 and if I was willing to pay for the BBCA tier I'd be paying $15 more. I am, of course, paying for ESPN which I don't want and I don't care about sports. I would prefer it if CBS didn't add the cost of sports to the All Access and let sports fans buy streaming sports from the various leagues or ESPN streaming.
     
  7. Nov 4, 2014 #27 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    The $117.10 includes the cost of DVRs, multiple locations and such. Do not forget that with online only 1 person can use the account (unless set up for family access) at a time - and we have not seen what many of these services will charge for multi-user (if even offered).
     
  8. Nov 4, 2014 #28 of 183
    phrelin

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    I have a very narrow point of view, my own. There's only two of us, we watch TV together. For that, we have all the equipment we need and could easily watch TV in the two locations where we have TV's or directly on our tablets 300 miles away in the doctor's office in Sacramento through the wifi Xfinity Hotspot.

    As I said, after over a quarter of a century as an Echostar C-band/Dish Network customer I'm not in any hurry. But "cutting the cord" would work for us for most of what we watch and likely it would be cheaper for us. And we would be using equipment we already have.
     
  9. Nov 4, 2014 #29 of 183
    James Long

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    I still have "AutoHop" on all ABC programs ... but my local ABC is an affiliate not an O&O. I suspect that any deal CBS makes will also only affect their O&Os.
     
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    I do not know about many years ago, but current FCC rules require each OTA station to have at least one unscrambled content feed. That does not mean it has to be their best feed ... technically they could offer free SD and subscriber only HD. Or free infomercials and subscriber only network content.

    The realities of the marketplace make such schemes not cost effective. Developing, distributing and maintaining descrambling devices is a expense that would need to be covered by subscribers ... plus profit. With other TV sources with many more channels available, scrambled DTV just didn't win.

    As far as the "pay for carriage" ... it is currently illegal for an OTA station to pay a carrier for carriage or preferred channel positioning on a system. The OTA station must deliver a usable signal to the headend/point-of-presence and may be charged for getting that signal to the system - but an OTA cannot pay for carriage.

    "Many years ago ..." that is a different world.
     
  11. Nov 5, 2014 #31 of 183
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    The dispute will only be with the CBS OWNED stations NOT AFFILIATES. So if you live in one of the owned CBS markets, New York, Los Angeles, Dallas etc. YOU WILL BE AFFECTED.
     
  12. Nov 5, 2014 #32 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    The one unscrambled channel was in exchange for approving digital instead of Analog, which was not "Many Years Ago", as the OP frames it.
     
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    The agreement was Autohop would only work after 3 days (Ratings are now C-3) on ABC. Unfortunately for ABC, some are now pushing for (C-7).
     
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    Like James pointed out this obviously only affects O&O abc stations. I live in a different DMA than him and I also get Autohop service next day on my abc programs.
     
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    Since I don't have a Hopper, I was wondering if in the ABC O&O DMA's can you record the local ABC station programming on one of the other receivers and watch it the next day all the while using the Autohop for the other networks?
     
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    I'm not sure what your question means... so I'll give a larger answer.

    Primetime anytime still records all the networks (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) every night just as it did before. The new ABC agreement just delays the commercial-skip feature for 3 days on the ABC recordings.

    There would be no need to record ABC on a different receiver since you already have it on your Hopper... and if you're going to skip commercials manually, there would be no difference in watching the Hopper recording.
     
  17. Nov 5, 2014 #37 of 183
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    Sorry, my question was unclear. Could I record the ABC on a different receiver and watch it the next day as opposed to the Autohop copy which I have to wait for?
     
  18. Nov 5, 2014 #38 of 183
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    CBS CEO Les Moonves fired back at Charlie:

    He did this in the same quarterly earnings news cycle he made another announcement I posted here CBS Teams With Sony Streaming & Unveils Online News in which he said in part:

     
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    James Long

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    You can record and watch programs as soon as you want on any receiver (even starting from the beginning before the recording is finished). The recording will act like any normal DVR recording from ESPN or Discovery Channel ... you can use all the playback features including manually skipping commercials. And you can do that on ANY DVR, including the Hopper/Joey system.

    The only limitation is on the autohop feature. What is missing until the third day only in O&O markets is the Hopper's ability to skip commercials automatically.
     
  20. Nov 5, 2014 #40 of 183
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    Thanks. Now I get what they are doing - making you watch commercials during the live+3-day period just as they do if you stream it online from the ABC website. From an economic standpoint that likely is worth money to ABC. It could be worth something to CBS also.
     
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